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Life When You Are an Elderly Kurd

PostAuthor: Diri » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:48 pm

Life When You Are an Elderly Kurd

http://www.globalaging.org/armedconflict/countryreports/asiapacific/kurd.htm



The BBC

December 2004




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Simple life

Zeynep Zeytin lives in the village of Geyiksuyu, in the eastern Turkish province of Tunceli:
"I wake up and take the animals up to the mountain to feed, then I bring wood back to burn and then I clean, and I take care of my children.
"I have one son who is leaving for the military and that's deeply upsetting for me because he is the only son."

Forced out


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Zeynep looks out over the Munzur mountains. She came to this village when the military forced her out of her own in an attempt to deny support to the Kurdish paramilitaries, who hid and lived in the mountains.
"Back in our own village we were better off. We had a garden. Here we only have two rooms and it is not good. My husband is remarried. We have two small cows and a goat.
"It's not enough because we have to pay lots of money to feed them, and for our necessities. That's our income."


No help


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There are new houses in the village, provided by the government for those it wants to return to the land. But Zeynep is unhappy that she has not received help. She had already bought and built a house with the proceeds of the livestock she sold when she was forced out of her village.
"The government didn't give me my house, I made my house - with two rooms. I had to build this from the beginning. The government gave some help to some other people, but not to us."

Borrowed money


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Zeynep helps hold a goat still. It is to be killed in honor of her son's imminent departure for military service. But she says she has little to live on.
"The money is not enough, we keep borrowing money, then we work more to pay that money back. That's how this family runs, all borrowed money, all money paid back and again the government didn't give us any housing this year."

Helping out


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Birgul, one of Zeynep's six daughters, works half the year in the capital, Ankara, in a clothes shop. She comes back to the village in the summer to help her mother. She's just been in to town, which is why she's dressed in modern clothes. Normally she'd be in traditional village dress.
"I work 12 hours a day when I am in Ankara. I'd like to stay there, but there is work to do here, work with the animals. I need to help my mother. We want a proper house, with a proper kitchen and bathroom."

Oppressed


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Feramuz is marked with the blood of the slaughtered goat. He is not happy about going into the army:
"I feel I have to go, it's my duty, but of course I am a bit confused because we have been oppressed a lot by the military.
"They burnt our village in the middle of winter, they only gave us a tent, nobody came and asked how we were, we were in a really bad condition. And under these conditions I am going to the military. What can I say?"
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PostAuthor: heval » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:32 am

This is a short but touching article. Destit xosh bêt Kak Dîrî
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PostAuthor: zering » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:10 am

Yes it is very touching story. Nice post Diri
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PostAuthor: Diri » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:07 pm

Destên te sax bin, bira...

I was realy moved by this article...

It's so sad - that they should be at the mercy of a state, which has done nothing but bad agianst them...

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Why doesn't the UN or NGO's take care of people like these? The state surely will inflict more damage in the future - but why don't they do more preventative work?

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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:14 pm

Why doesn't the UN or NGO's take care of people like these


It is forbidden to foreign NGOs to work in Turkey I think, as it is forbidden for Turkish NGO's to have "organic links" with foreign NGOs. At least it was the case until 2002-2003 ?
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PostAuthor: Diri » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:19 pm

Piling wrote:
Why doesn't the UN or NGO's take care of people like these


It is forbidden to foreign NGOs to work in Turkey I think, as it is forbidden for Turkish NGO's to have "organic links" with foreign NGOs. At least it was the case until 2002-2003 ?



Realy?

What does that REALY mean? Does it mean that the NGO HAS to be based in Turkey?

And does that mean that NGO's anywhere in the world have to be this way - or is Turkey just another shitty example?

I find it VERY irritating... :?
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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:24 pm

When I worked with Kurdish NGO's in Turkey, we should do in a hidden way. They could not receive any fax for example, from foreign NGO, like amnesty, etc. Having "organic links" with a foreign organisation was considered as a plot against state (and I talk about NGOs based in Istanbul, not only in Kurdistan).

So of course any Foreign NGOs was forbidden in Kurdish region.

I have learnt this year that now some NGO like Amnesty could have a representation or an office in Turkey, probably because the reform of law has changed, but working in "sensitive regions" should be still difficult.

But concerning the status of foreign NGOs in Turkey Tom knows better for he worked with Turkish NGOs there.
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PostAuthor: tomjez » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:44 pm

Law changed but not enough. An international NGO can have an office in turkey now. There is a lot of NGO's working in kurdistan now but they are all turkish (well you understand me). I worked in a "turkish ngo" but there were no turk working with us...we just depended from a real turkish ngo but have few contact with them.
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PostAuthor: Diri » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:57 pm

Thanks to both of you for that information...

I didn't know that international NGO's weren't allowed in Bakûr... :(
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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:06 pm

There is a great paranoia in Turkey concerning "foreign influence". I think it comes from the Ottoman period between 19-20 th century, when foreign power states imposed their own juridictions and trade rules, with the excuse to protect minorities like Christians... They have successed to create independant areas within Ottoman empire. So it had been created the myth of an inner-ennemy who wants to share and steals Turkey... (well it is no a myth at the end of Ottoman period but it is now.. though the old fear stays vivid)
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PostAuthor: Diri » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:10 pm

Piling wrote:There is a great paranoia in Turkey concerning "foreign influence". I think it comes from the Ottoman period between 19-20 th century, when foreign power states imposed their own juridictions and trade rules, with the excuse to protect minorities like Christians... They have successed to create independant areas within Ottoman empire. So it had been created the myth of an inner-ennemy who wants to share and steals Turkey... (well it is no a myth at the end of Ottoman period but it is now.. though the old fear stays vivid)


Yes... I heard about the Russian, British etc - support of the Assyrians within the Empire... But I didn't know they had any sort of independence?

Because the Ottoman Empire - was a federal structure - so the Kurds had controll of their areas - thanks to the Axa and Mîr's...
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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:15 pm

It was not official independance... but France, GB, etc. obtained special privileges (free taxes) in some areas, or the right for Chrisitnas to not depend on ottoman law, etc. Thetre were "foreign zones" like in Shangai... So Christians traders were advantaged ciomparing to Muslims, and it contributed to grow atred between non-muslims and muslim ppl, for Christian Ottomans appeared like "traitors". it could be one of the cause of massacres in 1895.
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PostAuthor: dyaoko » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:27 pm

it is forbidden for Turkish NGO's to have "organic links" with foreign NGOs. At least it was the case until 2002-2003 ?


cant sport federations have organic connection to the forgigen federations ?

acording to FIFA [footbal federation] each footbal federation in each country must see itself a member of FIFA .

iran is a bit better than turkey in this....

but still I can feel how it is ...for example one time I Asked my headmaster in school to give me a recomendation letter for american universities , he told me I am sorry , but we are not allowed to talk to forigen organziations...

well it is not the same with schools in tehran....they easily give you letters for ameican universities...but not in kurdish cities.
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