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Hundreds Protests agansit Anti-Islam Author in Suleimani

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PostAuthor: islamic~pride » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:19 pm

i found this on alevi's:

The alevi's interpret the Islam on the one hand in a profane, more spiritual, way. On the other hand it is interpret in a modern liberal way. The interpretations are the upshots of their humane spiritual worldview. Outsiders often have labelled it as the Enlightment of Islam.
Spiritual way: the prophet Mohammed's most fellow person was his nephew Ali (599-661). From their youth they were inseparable. According to many alevi's Mohammed called himself the 'knowledge' and (according to Mohammed) Ali had mastered these insights too, Ali thus became a 'port' by means of this knowledge could also be accomplished. Ali (and his wife Hatice) were one of the first persons who (thus) were acknowledged with Islam. Alevi's only believe in the inner message of the Islam. The dogmatic views and practices (example which are prescribed in the Koran) are not of the hand of Mohammed, but are added later by kaliefs or other rulers. They have nothing to do with the true essence of Islam. Therefore alevi's say their perception of Islam is the most true one. Ali and the Twelve Imams (the line of successors of Ali) are reflections of this perception. They were and are hallowed as prophets. Alevi's say when a person becomes the inner insight he/she is an expression of Allah. Mohammed and Ali are examples of this. In the Islamic Alevism alevi's thus praise Ali and the Twelve Imams as holy persons. The martyrdom of those who fought for this insight (Ali, his family and the Twelve Imams) has become a symbol for the fight between good and evil.
Liberal way: narrowly connected with the spiritual way is the liberal way. The inner meaning of Islam is a pure individual affair. Dogmatic views interfering other facets of life are thus not desirable and not necessary. Religion and State should strictly be separated. The Islamic elements that alevi's integrated in their beliefs are example the not-obligatory fasting on water and breed (although the most are not so severe) as a tribute to the prophet Ali and the Twelve Imams (also not as a remission of sins: from a universal (humanistic) Alevi perception each person is responsible for his own actions. These can't be 'washed' away or passed to others.) during a thirteen-day period in the Islamic month of Muharrem (Muharrem fast/Asura). The Muharrem fast is an incorporation element of Shi'ism, in which the martyrdom of Huseyin (the son of Ali) is lamented. The Alevi's confess it in a very liberal way. Most of them don't fast at all, regard this kind of fasting as superseded, especially the younger generations. In the Western countries however, there is because of the Diaspora a revival of traditional customs. This sociological aspect is often a characteristic of migrated groups. In some Shia-groups the Muharrem fast has besides the fasting also lamentation processes in which the passion plays go so far that they commit communal self-mutilation (this religious behaviour is also seen in other religions: imagine the particular Christian movements in which members of it crucify themself).
Another incorporated religious Alevi fast is the three-day Hizir fast (Hizir Orucu), generally observed during 13-15 February.
These religious incorporated fasts must never confused with the individual Alevi 'spiritual fasting': it can take place at any time for an indefinite period, making the body and mind ready for living in purity (again).... This spiritual fasting is not only seen in the alevi culture, but in lot's of other cultures and is in fact the core essence of fasting...
The 'Ramadan' of the Moslem (yearly fasting period during a month of the Sunnis) is seen as an outward appearance.

http://www.alevism.net/islam.html
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PostAuthor: Piling » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:26 pm

the prophet Mohammed's most fellow person was his nephew Ali (599-661).


His nephew ??? lol Ali b. Talib was Muhamamd's cousin. Muhamams was not single child ?

Alevi don't care of the famous 5 pillars of islam : they don'tpray 5 per day, don't make the hajj, don't celebrate Ramanda but Achoura, and so on. They have different rule of eating too : they can't eat rabbit (like Jews).

Alevism is derived from Islam, but have been a long time considered like ghulat, heretics. Now some of them (Western) try to re-attach them to Islam, but in Dersim they don't want their relations are quite conflictual with muslims.
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PostAuthor: islamic~pride » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:44 pm

lol, yeh thats definitely wrong, Ali was muhammed's (s.a.w.s) cousin, and son-in-law and he also married his daughter Fatima. thats a wrong site then :shock:
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PostAuthor: dyaoko » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:31 pm

Protest against a book ? whats a stupid act .

if those protestors dont like the book, simply Dont Buy it and let others have their own idea and ideology .

I wonder what freedom of speech is for ?
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then YOU WIN !
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PostAuthor: Piling » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:04 pm

and let others have their own idea and ideology .


In general fanatics don't like that. :roll: You are not supposed to have your own ideas, they think for you.
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