M. Rubin: Erbil was historically a Turkmen city

[Vladimir]

http://www.aei.org/publications/filter. ... detail.asp

But Tucker is less precise with his historical narrative because he largely accepts the revisionism of his Kurdistan Democratic Party interlocutors. “Hawlerr is the original Kurdish name for the Iraqi Kurdish city, mistakenly referred to in Arabic as Irbil,” he explains. Actually, Erbil was historically a Turkmen city. Only in the last half century has the traditionally rural Kurdish population flooded into the town, changing its demographics. He, likewise, makes the mistake of calling Mosul historically a Kurdish city.

Do you think Rubin is saying the truth?

[tomjez]

I've read travellers descriptions of Erbil in the XVIII, already Kurdish...

[Piling]

Travelers' description from XIIth century mentionned it as a Kurdish city... There was a big Christian community here, until Mongols' destruction, but not a lot of Turkmens.

[piskrt]

Does it matter? After all, today it is full of kurds. So, it is a kurdish city.

[dyaoko]

well there are some peopel in this world who what they say , is EXACTLY wrong.if they say this is white, so you should undrestand it is black.

Michael Rubin is the leader of the American team for licking Turkey ass , he had already said Turkey is a very democratic country , with not humam right abuse there , and he already have a lot of anti kurdish articles...

now Michael Rubin says Erbi is a turkish city...

well dont pay attention to what he says what he says is EXACTLY wrong, if he says our Hewler is Turkish , then we should be sure that Hewler is Kurdish.

[tomjez]

OK he must be getting old... There are a few turkmens in Erbil yes, I met a lot (and was happy because they speak a language I understand)...but this is historically bullshit!

[Piling]

Iraqi Turkmen are spred in the area, they have no territorial concentration and are more urban than country settlers. So we could find them in all the Kurdish cities, but they are not in majority anywhere. I wonder if Michael Rubin spent a lot of times in Kurdistan. He shoud be to have a real appreciation of the ground.

[piskrt]

OK he must be getting old... There are a few turkmens in Erbil yes, I met a lot (and was happy because they speak a language I understand)...but this is historically bullshit!

You speak kurdish?

[Piling]

No. Tom speaks Turkish and I speak Kurdish(now you have a short survey of European-Middle-eastern-language-speakers of the forum).

Then Tom can speak with Iraqi Turkmens (even if he say they have an Arab accent )

[Rubar]

http://www.aei.org/publications/filter. ... detail.asp

But Tucker is less precise with his historical narrative because he largely accepts the revisionism of his Kurdistan Democratic Party interlocutors. “Hawlerr is the original Kurdish name for the Iraqi Kurdish city, mistakenly referred to in Arabic as Irbil,” he explains. Actually, Erbil was historically a Turkmen city. Only in the last half century has the traditionally rural Kurdish population flooded into the town, changing its demographics. He, likewise, makes the mistake of calling Mosul historically a Kurdish city.

Do you think Rubin is saying the truth?

Rubin is the number one Pro-Turkish man within the Jewish lobby groups in USA. Any thing he says should be taken with a grain of salt. Remember he is making comments more to suck up to Turkey then to make any legitimate case for anything. Recently he has been pissed off with Turkey regarding Hamas, but I still do not trust that guy. I think those comments are just to pretend that he is reacting against Turkey's actions so that other Jewish groups wouldnt question him too much.

[Vladimir]

http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=11619

And here he goes again..

[Piling]

Don't know what Kurds had done with his wife, but he seems a bit obsessed by Kurds and their friends ! I adore when, in his comment about the book, he reproaches to writers their great sympathy for Kurds, not objective said he. But is he objective himself ?

link to amazon

[Vladimir]

I don't think so.

[Kerkuk_Kurdistan]

Berlin used to be a German city to. Now it has been taken over by the Turks...