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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:53 am

But Diri knows where he talks about concerning television. But he forgot one point: The programs can't have an educational goal for Kurdish children. So Kurdish children are forbidden to learn Kurdish via television :wink: .
The suppression of ethnic cultures and minority religious groups in attempting to forge a modern nation were not unique to Turkey but occurred in very similar ways in its European neighbours - Bruinessen.

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PostAuthor: Diri » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:56 pm

Vladimir wrote:But Diri knows where he talks about concerning television. But he forgot one point: The programs can't have an educational goal for Kurdish children. So Kurdish children are forbidden to learn Kurdish via television :wink: .


Yeah - you're right... I forgot that one important point...

Kurdish is not to be learned - it's only there so that Turkey can get into the EU... :lol:


(That will neeeever happen - believe me! :roll: )
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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:59 pm

We will see. I don't believe in believing anything.
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PostAuthor: BlueEyedCat » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:19 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK6XDfHOILs&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqlNJZxA9qs&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

So which TV channels are these ? Let me say, they're national (not regional) TV channels of Turkey that's broadcasting Kurdish music. Just search youtube you'll find tons of them. As you can see, it's not like that you masturbate here. I'm pretty sure that even Kurds in your super duper free Kurdistan even sometimes watch these TV shows from Turkish TVs since yours lack in quality.

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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:23 pm

Your proof is Ibo? How many times he sings Kurdish in his tv shows?
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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:24 pm

For instance Rojin was on Turkish television once. But they [TV SHOW staff] didn't want her to sing a Kurdish song. But she still did. You think you will see her after this on television? After this show she also got death threats, bad words, etc.
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PostAuthor: BlueEyedCat » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:27 pm

I've just did a quick search. He sings Kurdish frequantly. Not only Ibo but i remember others singing Kurdish songs even in national TVs not necesserialy regional.

Yet, you say that Kurdish language is forbidden in Turkish TVs and i proved it's not. Debate is over, go and find another topic to make agitation about Turkey.

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PostAuthor: BlueEyedCat » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:44 pm

Vladimir wrote:For instance Rojin was on Turkish television once. But they [TV SHOW staff] didn't want her to sing a Kurdish song. But she still did. You think you will see her after this on television? After this show she also got death threats, bad words, etc.


I don't know who is Rojin and that case. One of the videos that i've posted was broadcasted in Show TV. As you can see, they don't have problems with Kurdish. And more, don't forget that these TV channels are national channels who broadcast to whole Turkey. I mean probably regional channels who broadcast in areas where Kurds live are broadcasting in mainly Kurdish.

But don't expect them to let these TV channels to make propoganda of PKK or tell people racist shits. PKK is a terrorist group and whenever these broadcast turns into PKK propoganda, RTUK will intervene. There's nothing wrong in that.

BTW, i guess you're a Russian. So believe me, Turkey is waaay democratic than your semi-dictatorial country. Unlike your 10 years of fake democracy history, we've a democratic experience dating back to 19th century (I. Mesrutiyet). Clearly Russians are not the people to give democracy lessons to us.

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PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:25 pm

Unlike your 10 years of fake democracy history, we've a democratic experience dating back to 19th century (I. Mesrutiyet).


And 2 genocides in 20 years :lol:

BTW, Vladimir is not Russian, then don't waste your time with Tsarist and stalinist Past.
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PostAuthor: BlueEyedCat » Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:20 pm

Piling wrote:
Unlike your 10 years of fake democracy history, we've a democratic experience dating back to 19th century (I. Mesrutiyet).


And 2 genocides in 20 years :lol:

BTW, Vladimir is not Russian, then don't waste your time with Tsarist and stalinist Past.


Well, then we may talk about France's colonial period or Algerian genocide. What about that ?

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PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:14 pm

We could. I don't care. :)
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PostAuthor: Parsi » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:43 pm

France has nothing to do w/ this topic - stick to the topic please!
Look to your history and roots to find your true self.

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PostAuthor: Diri » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:45 pm

BlueEyedCat wrote:I've just did a quick search. He sings Kurdish frequantly. Not only Ibo but i remember others singing Kurdish songs even in national TVs not necesserialy regional.

Yet, you say that Kurdish language is forbidden in Turkish TVs and i proved it's not. Debate is over, go and find another topic to make agitation about Turkey.


Nobody said Kurdish is "forbidden"...


Get your facts straight... :wink:
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PostAuthor: Diri » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:47 pm

BlueEyedCat wrote:
Piling wrote:
Unlike your 10 years of fake democracy history, we've a democratic experience dating back to 19th century (I. Mesrutiyet).


And 2 genocides in 20 years :lol:

BTW, Vladimir is not Russian, then don't waste your time with Tsarist and stalinist Past.


Well, then we may talk about France's colonial period or Algerian genocide. What about that ?



As Parsi said - stick to the topic---> Kurds are discriminated against and put under regulations which the Turks don't have, that is rascist...

Let's hope Turkey turns a little smarter in the future...

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