Is he Turkish spy?

[Tirigan]

Şerafettîn Elçî

I think Turksssss are afraid of last development in Northern Kurdistan and they are afraid of new party of Ahmet Turk. I really think that at the elections a lot of Kurds will vote for him, if Tuksssss wont put political leaders in jail.
Why another “Kurd” want to have another party. I think it’s work of Turkish government and so she want to split Kurdish people and weaken the party of Ahmet Turk.

Are Turksssss using Serafettin Elçi and other “Kurds”?

We need 1 party, 1 voice!

http://netkurd.com/nuce.asp?id=2648

[zurderer]

And your one party is failed, I think This party(If It get some attention from kurds, and survive.) is more dangerous than DTP. Because, Kurdish people are religious, and It looks like this party also have some religious idea too. He said, We should redefine secularism.

But he can be a tool too, after all kurds are religious people. I think time will show. I dont think pkk will let them, and we will meet some political assasination.

[Utopia]

come on... serafettin elci was a MP before 1980 coup d'etat. he was imprisoned and tortured for his ideas. now you blame him of being a turkish spy... it is a shame. blaming alternative politicians as spies, betrayers is a well known pkk policy..
DTP will never do better than what HADEP, DEP,DEHAP did in elections before. this is because, nothing has changed in that cadres. all are the same. they repeat just what apo says in imralı.

We need 1 party, 1 voice!

come on 2. are we living in a soviet style dictatorship? since i was a child there were dehap, hadep,dep . they were "1" party. but never became the real "voice" of kurds. if there is a spy he is apo. he did nothing except playing with kurds as cat plays with mouse. one day he comes up with an "a united socialist kurdistan" the other day " confederalism" the another day with another idea. just brainstorming on kurds...practising what he reads in prison...

BTW anyone has any idea about how to solve the kurdish question with "kemalist apo"?

[Tirigan]

come on... serafettin elci was a MP before 1980 coup d'etat. he was imprisoned and tortured for his ideas. now you blame him of being a turkish spy... it is a shame. blaming alternative politicians as spies, betrayers is a well known pkk policy..
DTP will never do better than what HADEP, DEP,DEHAP did in elections before. this is because, nothing has changed in that cadres. all are the same. they repeat just what apo says in imralı.

He was imprisoned only for 2,5 years. It’s not so much for Turkish concemptions. I can give you a list of a lot of Kurdish activists and/or politicians who puted in jail for much longer!

And DTP is not like “other” Kurdish party. DTP learned from USA and Southern-Kurdistan and not from APO. DTP really has got the only 1 solution for Kurdish problem.
Their solution is only 1 which will really help Turksssss and Kurds. There’s no better solution.

We need 1 party, 1 voice!

come on 2. are we living in a soviet style dictatorship? since i was a child there were dehap, hadep,dep . they were "1" party. but never became the real "voice" of kurds. if there is a spy he is apo. he did nothing except playing with kurds as cat plays with mouse. one day he comes up with an "a united socialist kurdistan" the other day " confederalism" the another day with another idea. just brainstorming on kurds...practising what he reads in prison...

BTW anyone has any idea about how to solve the kurdish question with "kemalist apo"?

Utopia you really live in Utopia. Or maybe you’re a spy by yourself?

You’re right about PKK-top. There were/are a lot of Turkish spies. Kurdish who sold their souls to arch-enemies, the Turkssssss. Everybody knows it! But I’m grateful what APO did for Kurdish nation, you must not forget that. But now he’s I not important anymore. He did his thing!

Sure when we will have own country there must be a dozens of parties, but not now. Nowadays we must be united and fight together against our oppressors.

And with fighting I don’t mean with weapons, but also in politics, with intellectuals.

[Tirigan]

And your one party is failed, I think This party(If It get some attention from kurds, and survive.) is more dangerous than DTP. Because, Kurdish people are religious, and It looks like this party also have some religious idea too. He said, We should redefine secularism.

But he can be a tool too, after all kurds are religious people. I think time will show. I dont think pkk will let them, and we will meet some political assasination.

Hmmm, maybe you’re right. Maybe he just want win/steal some votes of Erdogan’s AKP, since a lot Kurds vote for AKP, also a religious party.

And I don’t trust religious parties either. Because those people don’t know what nationality is. For them all people are same; Turks, Kurds, etc. who must live together. This is for me more proof that religious party will become a Turkish marionette party.

I don’t know what Serafettin Elçi efforts are. Maybe he’s a good Kurd. Who knows? But I don’t trust the whole case. And I hope a lot of Kurds will be sceptical about this too.

[Utopia]

Utopia you really live in Utopia. Or maybe you’re a spy by yourself?

blaming alternative politicians as spies, betrayers is a well known pkk policy..

give up this bullshit argument. if you have sth to argue, do that. stop blaming people as spies etc. this is what people like you do for years.when any kurd raises his/her voice and say this is wrong the only thing they face is accusing them of being spies instead of a rational argument. i think you read pkk stories too much and also imitate what your apo did in the mountains. executing the people who come up with rational choices and rewarding people claiming his silly arguments.( mostly without understanding his theories(!))Indeed there is nothing to understand about his sill arguments.even himself(your apo)doesnt understand what he writes,thinks...

what did ahmet turk for you? nothing... this is what he will do in the future for you..
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[zurderer]

A pkk supporter party wont ever win majority of kurds, but a religious kurdish party have this chance.

A PKK supporter party never ever find any allies at turkish politics, but a religious kurdish party can find.(assuming they will refuse PKK) So I think this party is more dangerous than dtp.

[Vladimir]

PKK has more power then little parties like the one of Elci, Hak-Par, Komkar, etc..

Too bad..

[kurdistani]

Tigrian... sitting in your comfortable exile in Amsterdam... it is so easy for you to slag of other Kurds for not being nationalist enough...
Why don't you go an work in Kurdistan and then come back and talk about spies....

You have done nothing for Kurdiyeti...
oh... and BTW... Iraqi Kurdistan is free... so no excuses...

[Tirigan]

Utopia you really live in Utopia. Or maybe you’re a spy by yourself?

give up this bullshit argument. if you have sth to argue, do that.

You don’t have any sense for humour.

Ahmet Turk is NOT PKK. I'm not PKK. Sure, I'm a separatist. Almost all Kurds are separatists. Are all Kurds PKK?

I don’t support ideology of PKK, but I support their struggle against our oppressors. You just don’t get it…

[Tirigan]

Why don't you go an work in Kurdistan and then come back and talk about spies....

You have done nothing for Kurdiyeti...
oh... and BTW... Iraqi Kurdistan is free... so no excuses...

I’m a student. And I almost finished my university era/phase.

I want to return to Kurdistan as an important and essential figure. In Kuridstan nobody needs uneducated Kurd, nomad, form Europe.

[zurderer]

Ahmet Turk is NOT PKK

He is.(so dtp)

Sure, I'm a separatist.

Ahmet TURK is not.[/quote]

[Piling]

Ahmet Türk is NOT PKK. Like in former HADEP, some members are PKK, some others not.

[zurderer]

DTP connection with PKK is a wellknown fact. So leader of dtp.(If he is realy leader of dtp. If he is not, no need to waste our time with talking about him)

[Piling]

I think you have not a good knwoledge of the political Kurdish background and history.