Kurdish group takes credit for Istanbul cafe blast

[Vladimir]

KDP and PUK had same strategy in South-Kurdistan, without the bomb attacks. There were also tanks driving into Kurdish towns, etc.. in those days.

I wonder what you would have said then.

[tomjez]

2006 Turkey is not 1990 Irak of saddam. Or maybe I'm a nationalist turk because I think so?

This stupid strategy can only harm kurdish people. NOTHING GOOD can come out of this. Or maybe there is something I don't understan, riots of teenagers are the beginning of a liberation, killing of civilians in supermarkets are a first step to independance

[Piling]

For the moment there are 2 sides which are opposed to a political resolution of the Kurdish question in Turkey within UE :

Turkish nationalists and the PKK.

Both don't want any kind of political and moderate platform to resolve the issue. I think that they work as closed allies.

[zurderer]

Nonsense, Infact most of nationalist turks can see, kurds are becoming a large threat to turkey itself. Not only kurdistan.

The exile thing I offered comes from them.

Oh I agree, ultra nationalist kurds and turks are ally. both of them try to divide country. For standart people(majority of turks and kurds), They dont care both

[piskrt]

You’re 100% right. Kurds will never assimilate in Turkish society. They will make hell out of Turkish cities. With every year criminality will rise, because many Kurds don’t work in Turkish cities. Poverty will force them to do criminal things. They will corrupt and spoil everything. Why? Because it not theirs. They didn’t build those cities etc. For them it will not hurt if they mess up Turkish cities. They don’t have feeling with them.
East parts where Kurds live are very pover. Turks must invest a lot of money there if they want become EU-member. Are they able to do that? Do Ankara want give Kurds Turkish capital etc. etc.

If Turks don’t sent Kurds back where they came from. Turks will become Kurds. Kurds will never lose their identity. So I think Ankara is in deep shit.

I really think that it better for Turkish people and Turkish economy, welfare, society, living standard to let Kurds free.

Get your facts staright! There are about 15 million people of kurdish origin including intermarriages and 3/4 of the kurdish population are well integrated to the turkish society. Take a look at the Highest Taxpayer List which is disposed about 2 times a year. Almost half of them are kurdish origin. There are many kurdish singers who accept themselves as Turkish kurds although they are 100% kurdish. The people who do not accept turkish identity are children of tribal kurds who were living in caves a century ago(no offense) who live in poor cities like Hakkari, Agrı, Şırnak and a couple of other. These kurds does not even represent half of the kurdish population. Look at Dehap. How many votes did it get? Not more than 2 million and you can be sure that in the next election it would get less votes than the previous elections. Kurds are our people like ethnic Turks and we would not let a lunatic like APO and its western allies to get our land and our precious loved Turkish kurds.

[dyaoko]

tribal kurds who were living in caves a century ago(no offense)

hey Turk, if you are not living in Cave, but in modern houses it is because of the Kurdish resourced which you still and sell and get its money,

if the money of the kurdistan resourced (gold, water, agricalture...) was used for Kurdistan, Kurds were not that poor that you make fun out of them.

I see how you love your precious Kurds , that you forbidened everything kurdish in that country.

[piskrt]

tribal kurds who were living in caves a century ago(no offense)

hey Turk, if you are not living in Cave, but in modern houses it is because of the Kurdish resourced which you still and sell and get its money,

if the money of the kurdistan resourced (gold, water, agricalture...) was used for Kurdistan, Kurds were not that poor that you make fun out of them.

I see how you love your precious Kurds , that you forbidened everything kurdish in that country.

I wonder what kurds have as a resource which Turkey markets? NO oil, No gold and certainly no agricultural resource. No land in southeast in cultivated. Almost all of the agrcultural products came from remaining part of Turkey. Southeast is a garbage thanks to its pro-terrorist, uneducated inhabitants. But, do not worry. That sttitude is changing. The region is atracting more investments than ever especially cities like Van, Diyarbakır.

[piskrt]

tribal kurds who were living in caves a century ago(no offense)

I see how you love your precious Kurds , that you forbidened everything kurdish in that country.

Same old rhetoric. We all know that Southeast has problems much deeper than just cultural rights. If they werent up in arms for kurdish seperatism they would be up in arms for islamic terrorism.

[Piling]

Obviously piskrt, as a good Turk you know NOTHING of Kurds and Kurdistan, and just repeat what is written in nationalist newspapers and repeated in narrow-minded circles.

And as usually I suppose that you never visited your beloved "South-Eastern Anatolia" and never talked with Kurds there. Just theories, isn"t it ?

What you say is exactly the same stuff that other Turkish citizens said here before, always the same dull and unexact arguments, and so far from reality.

[piskrt]

Obviously piskrt, as a good Turk you know NOTHING of Kurds and Kurdistan, and just repeat what is written in nationalist newspapers and repeated in narrow-minded circles.

And as usually I suppose that you never visited your beloved "South-Eastern Anatolia" and never talked with Kurds there. Just theories, isn"t it ?

What you say is exactly the same stuff that other Turkish citizens said here before, always the same dull and unexact arguments, and so far from reality.

I was born in Urfa/Halfeti if you want to know. My mothers side is fully kurdish and some of them have joined the ranks of PKK and died. Also, the older sun of Hatip Dicle was my fellow friend in the hifg school. Thus, I know quiete a lot of things about kurds and turks.

So, how about you? Who are you? A european citizen who supports kurdish cause I guess!

Besides, if my arguments are far from reality, I would be happy to see them refuted by credible counter arguments raher than thetoric!

[Piling]

You are a Kurd anti-Kurdish revendication ? lol, it happens sometimes. After all you have the right to be not a "separatist", but when you say that :

and 3/4 of the kurdish population are well integrated to the turkish society. Take a look at the Highest Taxpayer List which is disposed about 2 times a year. Almost half of them are kurdish origin. There are many kurdish singers who accept themselves as Turkish kurds although they are 100% kurdish. The people who do not accept turkish identity are children of tribal kurds who were living in caves a century ago(no offense) who live in poor cities like Hakkari, Agrı, Şırnak and a couple of other. These kurds does not even represent half of the kurdish population.

I maintain that you are absolutely far from Kurdish realities.

Then you have the right to support a "Turkish assimilation" and to praise the role of Turkey the last decades in Kurdistan. But don't say you are the majority, you make me laugh. If most of Kurds in Turkey think like you, how could a guerilla last so long ? People are fed up with war, but they are fed up with police and military pressures, too, even the Guardians of village begin to be tired of it !

[piskrt]

You are a Kurd anti-Kurdish revendication ? lol, it happens sometimes. After all you have the right to be not a "separatist", but when you say that :

and 3/4 of the kurdish population are well integrated to the turkish society. Take a look at the Highest Taxpayer List which is disposed about 2 times a year. Almost half of them are kurdish origin. There are many kurdish singers who accept themselves as Turkish kurds although they are 100% kurdish. The people who do not accept turkish identity are children of tribal kurds who were living in caves a century ago(no offense) who live in poor cities like Hakkari, Agrı, Şırnak and a couple of other. These kurds does not even represent half of the kurdish population.

I maintain that you are absolutely far from Kurdish realities.

Then you have the right to support a "Turkish assimilation" and to praise the role of Turkey the last decades in Kurdistan. But don't say you are the majority, you make me laugh. If most of Kurds in Turkey think like you, how could a guerilla last so long ? People are fed up with war, but they are fed up with police and military pressures, too, even the Guardians of village begin to be tired of it !

Good challenging question! The reasons are:1-) the undeveloped economic status of the region, 2-) The tribal society of the kurds which the state stupidly tolereted, 3-) the unintegrated and uneducated poor population, 4-) the ignoring attitude of the state towards the region, 5-) the lack of rule-of-law and bad behaviour of the officials. and The lack of cultural rights were the activation energy (the starter) which exploded the bomb. As I said earlier, if these guerillas were not up to arms for kurdish seperatism they were to fight for islamic extremism. It is well documented that both kurdish seperatists and islamic fundementalists are gaining converts from the same social base.

[Piling]

That is the point. The Kurdish question in Turkey has been created by a stupid policy from Turkey. And now they have to ged rid of that question... but they don't use the good methods, and between Pan-Turkish nationalists and the PKK, Kurds have bad days to live in the future...

[piskrt]

That is the point. The Kurdish question in Turkey has been created by a stupid policy from Turkey. And now they have to ged rid of that question... but they don't use the good methods, and between Pan-Turkish nationalists and the PKK, Kurds have bad days to live in the future...

Yes! You got that right! I have not claimed that it is all kurds' fault. Stupid governments who ignored the region have a great stake in the problem just like in every problem Turkey is facing with.