14 Kurds were killed in Northern kurdistan

[heval]

To be honest, I do not believe that riot police would behave in such a bad manner towards Osman Baydemir or rioters. I have watched it and asked it to a couple of my frineds who are from Diyarbakır they say the opposite of that. Rioters started burning down shops, throwing petrol bombs, burning vehicles, trying to start a SERHILDAN which is the kurdish word for Intifada etc. In such case, to be honest, I would not put the blame on the security forces. I am sure that, if a similar event took place in an European country or US, I am sure there would be scores of deaths.

Please do not enter these forums telling us about what your "sources" and "friends" are telling you. Many of us, including myself, have several contacts in Diyarbakir and I have visited Turkey and Kurdistan on several occasions... but I won't bore you with that. I can only assure you that when I post news regarding a subject matter taking place within Kurdistan, I make sure that the news is valid - otherwise I will tell you that I am unsure of it.

Don't turn the blind eye and ignore what is a reality. Innocent Kurds are once again victims of the Turkish state. When you ignore the facts, such as that which kak Diri stated, that a young Kurdish boy has been killed under the watch of Turkish security, you are denying the fact that there is a Kurdish problem in Turkey and the Turkish government is using violent methods in an attempt to solve it.

[piskrt]

Well-

It is PKK tactics to use children who have nothing to do with the situation in their demonstrations. Besides, I am sure if such an awesome incident happened in an European country or US, I am 100% sure that the number of death would be dozens. Sorry to disagree but such kind of violent tactics do nothing to solve the problem except causing hated between ordinary Turks and Kurds. What is a crowd in Ankara or Istanbul burn down businessed kurds own in those cities or intimidate ordinary kurds? Would that be good? Because that is what will happen if PKK goes on provocations!

Stop believing everything you read in Aksam, Sabah and other crappy Turkish newspapers...

I do not believe in whats written in newspapers but I do not believe everything said by PKK either.

[heval]

I do not believe in whats written in newspapers but I do not believe everything said by PKK either.

Okay, so continue to deny everything that the Turkish government denies on a daily basis. If you wish to side with a government and military whose policies have led to the displacements of thousands upon thousands of Kurdish people and whose backwards policies have taken away the peoples' most basic human rights, then that is an issue only you can solve for yourself.

If you read the news and actually acquire some credible "sources", you will learn that over 250 people have been injured in these protests and that the Turkish "security" forces have forced the hospitals in the area to close their service to these people. This is something inhumane and something that would NOT take place in the U.S. or Europe. If you wish to side with a Turkish gunmen who is firing bullets into a crowd without weapons, instead of with a young boy who was murdered before his 7th birthday, then that is your choice. However, don't look at these events as another excuse to bash the PKK. We are not talking about the PKK here, and most people in this forum will not defend them. We are talking about the people and city of Diyarbakir, which is burning in flames because of the irresponsibility of the State.

[zurderer]

Diyarbakir, which is burning in flames because of the irresponsibility of the State.

state?It is not state who attack innocent people, burn cars ext.State is only ineffective against this guys.

Dont try to bash goverment, these time, they did nothing.

[heval]

Diyarbakir, which is burning in flames because of the irresponsibility of the State.

state?It is not state who attack innocent people, burn cars ext.State is only ineffective against this guys.

Dont try to bash goverment, these time, they did nothing.

The State did nothing? Unless you are agreeing with the argument that the military and "security" forces are independent entities in Turkey, then yes, the State is doing everything wrong.

I find it funny how you guys pick one line out of the many sentences I write to you in order to try and divert peoples' attention from the truth. If you love your ruthless Turkiye so much, you should really learn to defend it a little better - especially in a Kurdistan forum.

[Vladimir]

Among the 250 people wounded are also police officers and non-PKK people. I don't agree with these violent demonstrations and I don't think these kind of tactics solve anything. It will create more [Turkish] nationalism and no solution for the Kurdish problem.

[piskrt]

Go on heval! Go on! You are in the right path! Go and support those mobs who do nothing but burning down commercial buildings! PKK is the sole criminal in this incident and I would not change my mind just because a PKK spoker would say so. Thay are criminals in my eyes and would stay so. And, do not bring up the argument that a child is killed because of the clashes because it is PKK tactic to use children and women in their shows. PKK is responsible from their death not security forces. Besides, no European counrty would let a mob to rule their territory as you have said. Get a grasp of the reality and stop seing things as you want them to be. This time, it is all PKK's fault. And, I WANT TO SPİT ON THEM!

[zurderer]

The State did nothing?

Not these time, you cannot accuse state for everything and everytime.

Unless you are agreeing with the argument that the military and "security" forces are independent entities in Turkey, then yes, the State is doing everything wrong.

I agree, state is doing a lot wrong, but these time they were complately innocent.

I find it funny how you guys pick one line out of the many sentences I write to you in order to try and divert peoples' attention from the truth. If you love your ruthless Turkiye so much, you should really learn to defend it a little better - especially in a Kurdistan forum.

No I dont love my cruel turkiye, but I know when she is guilty. Now she is not. She did nothing.

what is the reason of demonstrations?

why are they attacking people? cars or state buildings? because of kurds? did kurd benefitted from this? why they attacked kurds who dont close their places at batman?

[heval]

Go on heval! Go on! You are in the right path! Go and support those mobs who do nothing but burning down commercial buildings! PKK is the sole criminal in this incident and I would not change my mind just because a PKK spoker would say so. Thay are criminals in my eyes and would stay so. And, do not bring up the argument that a child is killed because of the clashes because it is PKK tactic to use children and women in their shows. PKK is responsible from their death not security forces. Besides, no European counrty would let a mob to rule their territory as you have said. Get a grasp of the reality and stop seing things as you want them to be. This time, it is all PKK's fault. And, I WANT TO SPİT ON THEM!

I am not defending PKK. You keep bringing it back to the PKK because you are unable to defend the Turkish government and military. You are acting like all Turkish nationalists from the commoner to the high-ranking official. You wish to blame the PKK for all the Turkish government's problems. Well, the Turkish forces are the ones who killed the 6-year old and the two other civilians. That will forever stand and will be known to the world.

So, go on Piskrt! Go on! You are in the right path! Go and support this state of terror and all the innocent people it has done harm to! They are on the right path! Turkey will stray far from their EU prospects and they will prove that they are unworthy with their dirty and corrupted actions!

[piskrt]

This time I defend Turkey's action 100%. The death of that child is PKK's fault not security forces. These actions only make life harder for kurds who have nothing to do with the things happening there. By blaming everything on the government, you side with those terrorists. And, I would not go on this conversation, as I do not see any prospect in discussing such an issue with a person who is unable to criticise a terrorist organization which has proved its cruelty over and over again, period.

[Vladimir]

I blame it on the PKK and Turkish nationalist circles within the government. Buyukanit, Sauna gang, Susurluk gang and the founder of Turkey Kemal Ataturk, who promised Kurds autonomy, invited a Kurd into the Turkish parliament with Kurdish clothes and then he got hanged for separatism! He is the cause of this ! WITH HIS TURKISH NATIONALISM!

Even when there was no PKK, Kurds were oppressed. I wish there was no PKK. Parties like PSK are much better. But Turkish government and PKK wiped out other KUrdish organisations.

[heval]

This time I defend Turkey's action 100%. The death of that child is PKK's fault not security forces. These actions only make life harder for kurds who have nothing to do with the things happening there. By blaming everything on the government, you side with those terrorists. And, I would not go on this conversation, as I do not see any prospect in discussing such an issue with a person who is unable to criticise a terrorist organization which has proved its cruelty over and over again, period.

Like I said over and over again, I am not defending the PKK, nor do I have any intention to. You seem to be ignoring me purposefully because you want to divert peoples' attention from the fact. The only ones that am siding with are the people, the innocents, and most importantly, the child who was killed. The Turkish forces have killed and injured many people, and they do not know how to solve their own problems. Violence is not solved with violence, Piskrt...

[zurderer]

what are childs doing inside of a riot?

[piskrt]

what are childs doing inside of a riot?

They were throwing petrol bombs. so nothing more. they were very innocent...

[tomjez]

PKK strategy is SICK. It's a shame for kurds, they are murderers of their own people.

Of course when you riot there are violence. Of course when you bring a 6 year old child to a protest after 1 week of riots, it is bound to be dangerous.

Of course turkish nationalism is to be blamed, but PKK has the biggest responsability.

I've said 1 months ago that PKK would try to provoke this kind of riots, I thought it would be for newroz, it happened 1 week later. I'm no turkish nationalist, it is easy to decode PKK declarations and to look at the situation.

These riots were written a long time ago, this is a coordinate tactic

Provoke turkish nationalism, terrorize kurds who don't support PKK, create martyrs. Bring war, death, violence just to prove you exist.

FUCK PKK.