PKK & suicide attacks?

[kassem]

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[Diri]

Kassem

You truely are blinded by the propaganda--- I can tell.. Believe me - I hear what they are saying at ROJ TV - you are saying the SAME things... And NO APO didn't flee - he was thrown OUT by the Syrian Government because Turkey said it would attack if not!

tha idea of the Confederalism is not a planned and smart idea at all.. the man has noe idea of Kurdistan... he just has his idea of "Bijî Serok"... thats all..


I won't bother writting against your sayings - as it is clear from your LONG comment further up you are speaking against yourself - you are EVEN identifying yourself WITH the PKK - saying that "we're a fine army" - what is that???? Are you a member of the PKK???

Bira tu chi dikey??? Hishar be!

[Piling]

well today i would say that the very vast majority of the guerilla are afraid to be killed by others and have no choice to return in their home because Turkey refuses an amnesty... and they risk their lives by epuration (many executions happened inside the camp. Many of them are brave, but heros could kill like machines too, because of propaganda.

Apo fled in Europe only because Syria asked him to go out of the country. He was afraid to be caught by Turks and fled. He should have stayed in Italia, by the way. Everybody told him to stay in Italia. By his own stupidness he went out of Italia and at the end was caught (may be because in Italia he would have lost much of his personnal power and should have stopped to make kill his opponents). But leaders of the PKK stated that it was a plot and killed many former members though no one was but Öcalan.

About the "confederation", it is his last idea... he could change... he has changed a lot. If Turks threaten him he will change it. So I supposed that this sudden idea of "confederation" is a tricky step of Turks. Since his arrest he is completely directed by them.

I don't say that confederation would be bad for Kurds in Turkey. But the PKK will never do it, no more than democracy (they don't know what it is). And they are not able to impose it in Turkey.

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[Diri]

KASSEM I am not hatefull against th PKK - I am just anoyed with APO'S role in Turkey- I am angry - I would expect more from such a man... I used to have A LOT OF RESPECT for him... BUT WHEN ALL THE WORLD WAS WATCHING HIM IN THE FIRST TRIALS- HE SAID - "I am sorry Turkey"... WHY NOT SAY SOMETHING IN KURDISH??? " PEACE AND INDEPENDENCE FOR KURDISTAN"....

But just remember that I am NOT AGAINST THE PKK... You should know this by now... I AM JUST angry with the PKK... They are playing with Kurds life... just like the PUK... Even the KDP has in history done such things... but RIGHT NOW - THE KDP is the only party that is saying INDEPENDENCE FOR KURDISTAN - I hope you are aware of this... He has many times said - "ONE DAY SOON KURDISTAN WILL BE - Nothing can stop us"

[b]And as for Piling[/b I agree with what you are saying...

I agree - It is right... the PKK is now under Turkish "occupation" if you will--- Whatever they want they tell APO to say.. they have all the controll now...

[kassem]

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[Diri]

Kassem - I got angry when you said "they must not be rascist"... They won't be rascist JUST because they DON*T say "turkish/Arab brother"... They don't need to say the word "brother!"...


I don't like Talabani - he has sold Kurdistan...

[kassem]

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[Vladimir]

True..
Btw.. I read in a report of 2002 that Kurds are forced to become village guards. If they refuse deportation.. Is that still hapening?

[kassem]

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[Vladimir]

Damn.. media in North Kurdistan is so badly organised.. I wished I could have a local reporter, but if the Turks find out --> prison..
Although Kurdishinfo reports something about that, but their English is really bad.

[kassem]

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[pesh17]

Ok hevalen delal

It is time to calm down a little. Do you see, that this is exactly what our enemies want us to do? To constantly bicker amongst ourselves, so to forget who truly wants to do our people harm. First to start what this post was originally about, the suicide bombers. The pkk has no official policy and does not make its policy or tactics to use suicide bombings. if they did, istanbul would be in havoc, and turkey would crumble because no tourist would ever go there. Turkey's economy is heavily dependent on tourism, and all it takes is 2 bombs in istanbul and izmir, to scare the crap out of europeans. Any organization can carry out suicide bombings, and an organized party could do this even better, so i dotn think pkk has anythign at all to do with "suicide bombings".

Next.
The Pkk has had its problems, and continues to have its problems. They are slowly becoming more efficient and nationalistic again. They had been without a leader that controlled everything for the past 5 years. It took them time to regroup. Pkk is no longer dictated by Apo from jail, anymore, Cemil Bayak and MK have tooken control. As they should. He will continue to be very symbolic, but thank god no longer will he be able to try to controll pkk from his 10x6 cell room.

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The hpg, guerilla is contrary to what many of you think, the most nationalistc section of pkk. They actually are brave in my opinion, because they are waging war and live in spartan like conditions and continue to perserver. Piling or Diri, i dont know which one of you said this, about them not being able to leave. Absolutly WRONG. Some did leave and join the community in southern kurdistan, and any of them can simply sneak off and disapear into the community.

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Please guys, dotn talk aobut how this party or that doesnt want independence for kurdistan. If peopel truly believed that none of them wanted that, then they would in my opinion lose much power. If kurds actually believe Barzani, Talabani, and Ocalan and listend to their remarks, they all would be in different situations. In thier hearts they know there constituency believes that in one way or another they should be working for a independent kurdistan. I know their leadership doesnt, but the people do believe that they are. They for soem reason are just "trusting there" "realpolitk" for the time being. No peshmerga, guerilla or and shoreshvan joined their party for "Federalism" or confederalism.

Next:
I dont want to seem to pro-pkk but, kdp and puk dealings with our enemy states, is far more complex and allied than pkk ever had with any country in the region. One reason, is that our enemies find that kdp/puk are far more usefull to do soem of their petty work.

Next
Guys, man, some of you really need to travel to northern kurdistan. The level of assimilation, and cultural denial by turkey is unsurpassed by any other nation in history. What pkk started from and the time and what Kdp/Puk started from, is wow, well how to say this. 180 degrees DIFFERENT. You all seem well read in kurdish history, im sure we can concur on this. That explains much of pkk's reactionarism. In The end guys, we are much more fortunate that there was a pkk, and there was a struggle, with all the negative. Because if it wasnt, there would be no kurds left in turkey, it would be 60 million turks instead of 40 million turks.

I cannot call turks "brothers" or "arabs" brothers for what they have dont to my family personally, if you wish to do that, it is your own proagative.


Kdp and 'Puk are by no means democratice, at all, i know them personally, and pkk is not the perfect party either, they have a ways to go.

Diri, Piling, Kassem many of your points are valid. all you guys seem very intelligent kurds, and i hope that you will channel that energy and intelligence to improve our people and nation, instead at each other.

Finally parties need to be absolutely in kurdistan LESS EMPHSAIZED. and KURDISTAN should be more emphasize. They create more problems than solutions these days.

Silav ji we hemu re.
Roni yen chava min in.
Spas

Biji Kurd u Kurdistan

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[arcan_dohuk]

the NY Times has been going downhill for a while. they even know it. shame on them. may the flames of retribution claim their souls.