DREAM CITY : The dream has come true

[Vladimir]

How do you think Apo created unity?

[dyaoko]

How do you think Apo created unity?

every small vilage in all part of kurdistan knew him...he was so HeroStyle.
yesterday a pakstiani kurd came to the forum he said , kurds in pakistan had demonstared when he was captured....!!! he was in the heart of every Kurd.

to french freind , you said , he didnt rule his party democratic.
yeah I guess in war time , you have to rule the party with Emeregecy .
like look at south kurdistan. , their parlliament hasnt been Re-Newed ,why ? they say they have had civil war and no time to Re-New the parlliament.

agiain I say , i am ont supporter of any party but I know for sure , you are not speaking Fairly about them.

[Kurdish Freedom Fighters]

lets stay ontopic eh

[Vladimir]

Shall I give some amnesty reports to you about PKK?
They had the same methods as the Turkish army. Like 90 teachers who teached Turkish where killed.

[dyaoko]

Shall I give some amnesty reports to you about PKK?
They had the same methods as the Turkish army. Like 90 teachers who teached Turkish where killed.

yeah you shall, I would like to see what PKK has done , I dont know much about them...but I know today they have changed a lot .

[Diri]

Shall I give some amnesty reports to you about PKK?
They had the same methods as the Turkish army. Like 90 teachers who teached Turkish where killed.

yeah you shall, I would like to see what PKK has done , I dont know much about them...but I know today they have changed a lot .

Please stoip talking for all Kurds - he(APO) is not "in every Kurds heart" - he never was and you are just sounding like a dictator - let people decide for themselves if they care about APO... HE IS NOT IN MY HEART...

He is a TRAITOR - he was supported by Soviet before it fell and afterwards he had no where to turn EXCEPT Syria - and he didn't let Kurdayetî get a head... HE IS A DORK!

[Vladimir]

You said PKK is one of the best parties. Frankly I believe here are no real good parties. You don't have to choose between one. There is a need of a new party.. which doesn't fucks up the political situation for one of the Kurds..

Like PKK did in Syria... where he worked together with Assad. Also PKK got support from the Kurds slaughterer Saddam Hussein.. and from your beloved Iran/Khomeiny...

Same with KDP, PUK.. . . .

Kurdish Referendum Movement must become a political party and crush KDP PUK.

[Vladimir]

read more about PKK here:
http://www.let.uu.nl/~martin.vanbruines ... evised.htm
Ocalan revised.. talks about Iran, Syria support and PKK's war waged agaisnt KDP. Only they don't talk About Saddam Hussein I think.

Also people are saying that only PKK killed dissidents, but KDP and PUK did the same.. kidnapping people who were against the party line.. like with federalism.. when Talabani didn't like federalism YET! And what does he support now?

It isn't Talabani's idea believe me..

[tomjez]

Agree with what has been said...but for me PKK was as bad as kemalism. Same system, same brainwashing...

How did Apo create unity? By killing opponents, outside and within PKK.
PKK has done nothing for kurdish culture: work language is turkish in this party!!!! (which helped me a lot for research, my turkish is still better than my kurmanci).

Kurds of turkey don't care about Apo anymore. Juste look to poll results, they all vote AKP hoping that something change..they know DEHAP is PKK! Sad but there is no good kurdish legal party in Turkey. And the bitch Leyla Zana won't change anything...

The problem is that the kurdish diaspora didn't understand that things changed since 1999 in turkish kurdistan. The diasporas of every country are aniway totally deconnected with what happens in real life...

[Diri]

Agree with what has been said...but for me PKK was as bad as kemalism. Same system, same brainwashing...

How did Apo create unity? By killing opponents, outside and within PKK.
PKK has done nothing for kurdish culture: work language is turkish in this party!!!! (which helped me a lot for research, my turkish is still better than my kurmanci).

Kurds of turkey don't care about Apo anymore. Juste look to poll results, they all vote AKP hoping that something change..they know DEHAP is PKK! Sad but there is no good kurdish legal party in Turkey. And the bitch Leyla Zana won't change anything...

The problem is that the kurdish diaspora didn't understand that things changed since 1999 in turkish kurdistan. The diasporas of every country are aniway totally deconnected with what happens in real life...

WRONG---> I AM DIASPORA... NOW WHAT WERE YOU SAYING?

[tomjez]

Did not say all diaspora was fan of Apo. Just saying he is still more popular in Diaspora than in actual kurdistan Sorry I was speaking too generally! I should have said "are OFTEN deconnected"

[pepula]

definately true. apo is still very popular with the kurdish diaspora. maybe because the last time they left northern kurdistan for europe, apo was popular. but i agree the kurds of the north at the moment are thinking away from the PKK-which apo wouldnt allow bfore.

but there was one good thing about the PKK-they reintroduced the idea of an independant KURDISTAN to the kurds in turkey. Before the PKK, many didnt even think of themselves as to being Kurdish. This latr led to the uplift on the banning of speaking the Kurdish language in the early 1990s.

But personally i think we should get rid of all these parties-especially PUK and KDP. We need a new strong universal party which works for the independance of Kurdistan directly.

and for the dream city-it's looking good. i cant wait until the hewler mall opens though-that looks real good.

[Vladimir]

Totally agreed with PEP. Also a party on which Northern Kurds can be proud instead of this foolish Dep, Hadep, DTP, etc.. parties,... or more worse.. AKP

[tomjez]

HADEP was against PKK and disappeared because of that...look at DEHAP, it was not forbidden by Turkish authorities! Too convenient
A global kurdish party would be a good thing, but not "working for independance": it would be the best way for kurds to be oppressed in turkey like in the 80's and 90's. All they want is democracy, their rights, and mostly economical reconstruction! Kurdistan independance can only take place in south kurdistan right know. And kurdish leaders think it is clever to try to keep what kurdish people has here (total freedom) thant triying to be at war with Turkey and Iran...
And Vladimir: AKP is the best thing that happened to Kurds since 1980 in Turkey. Believe it or not: I live in turkey, I was here before AKP and after AKP: in march 2003 people didn't speak kurdish in the streets of diyarbakir because they were still afrait. No they do it openly and you really feel that the tension is not here anymore. It may be an hyporcit party, but it is much better than a stupid turkish nationalist party which thinks that a kid speaking kurmanci is a threat to turkish borders....Kurds voted for AKP at 60% in march 2004...they know what is good for them I think, THEY live in Kurdistan

[Kurdish Freedom Fighters]

hadep was for pkk and turkey got hadep closed because of so called links with pkk