14 Kurds were killed in Northern kurdistan

[Diri]

How SAD Zurderer and PISKRT - you are too one-sided...

I don't like the PKK and it is irrelevant wether you support the PKK or not.

Bottom line:


KILLING A 6 YEAR OLD BOY AND A 12 YEAR OLD BOY - IS WRONG!!! THAT IS STATE TERRORISM!!!

[Piling]

Children's death is sad, sure. But sending forward children during a riot is criminal. It is like Palestinians' Intifada.

Moreover, I agree that if Turkish forces had the order to kill people or to repress them very brutally, the number of dead would have been very important. For the moment, it is nothing.

[tomjez]

exactly...and yeah sending a child in first line....not talking about the police, sending a chlid when rioters have molotov cocktails, it's just criminal.

[piskrt]

it's just criminal.

That is what PKK is.

[zurderer]

KILLING A 6 YEAR OLD BOY

can you tell me what is a 6 year old boy doing at riot? his murderer is his father.

we have not a peaciful riot, their aim was not to protest, but create chaos.They are actively attacking police.(they even attacked house of a police) so why do you come such protest with a 6 year old baby?

I am not even sure who shoted baby, but It didnot benefitted turkey much.

It benefitted PKK, now who is one-sided, you think.

[heval]

The "accidents" continue. God Almighty, these Turkish soldiers are so clumsy. Why do they keep "accidently" shooting kids?

Turkish police kill 3 year-old child
Friday, 31 March 2006

PARIS (AFP) - A three-year-old boy was shot in the throat and killed Friday as Kurdish protesters clashed with security forces in Turkey, a hospital said, raising the death toll to seven this week.

The child was on the terrace of his home in Batman, southeast Turkey, when he was hit by a stray bullet, apparently shot by a policeman firing into the air to disperse about 200 protesters, a hospital official said.

The boy was killed immediately.

Violent protests broke out Monday in nearby Diyarbakir but have also affected Batman, which lies about 70 kilometers (45 miles) further east. Six people, including two children, have already been killed in Diyarbakir.

The mayor of Diyarbakir, Osman Baydemir, called in a press conference Friday for the protesters to "go home".

More than 250 people -- mostly from the security forces -- have been injured in the fighting between police and thousands of young people.

More than 200 protesters were arrested in violence, which the authorities said was orchestrated by the the outlawed separatist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

In the capital Ankara, police spokesman Ismail Caliskan accused Kurdish rebels of using children during the riots.

"The agitators will be captured and tried," said Interior Minister Abdulkadir Aksu, who arrived in Diyarbakir the previous day after demonstrators vandalized stores and attacked public buildings. Aksu said the riots were directed against democracy and stability.

The situation had appeared relatively calm Friday morning, and most stores had reopened, an AFP correspondent on the scene reported.

The crisis began Monday when thousands of people confronted security forces after the funerals of four of 14 PKK rebels killed by the army during fighting at the weekend.

Hundreds of Kurdish youths went on the rampage in Diyarbakir on Tuesday and Wednesday, attacking police with stones and petrol bombs and vandalizing shops and public buildings.

The violence spilled over Thursday to the nearby town of Batman, where the rioters fire-bombed a bank and ransacked the office of a far-right nationalist party, the Anatolia news agency said.

Besides the toddler's death, a hospital official said three people had died from their injuries in hospital overnight, including a seven-year-old boy shot in the chest during demonstrations.

Three others were killed earlier in the week: a protestor, a nine-year-old boy hit by a bullet while watching from a roof, and a man killed in a traffic accident while running from the melee.

Kurdish politicians have blamed the riots on Ankara's failure to meet their demands for greater freedoms.

Keen to boost its bid to join the European Union, Ankara has made a series of gestures to the Kurds, including allowing Kurdish-language broadcasts and private language courses, but activists want broader rights.

The conflict has claimed some 37,000 lives since the PKK, blacklisted as a terrorist group by Ankara, the European Union and the United States, took up arms for Kurdish self-rule in the southeast in 1984.

Source: AFP

[Piling]

Strange, it is not exactly the same text in French. it said :

L'enfant suivait depuis la terrasse de sa maison les heurts entre quelque 200 jeunes Kurdes et les forces de sécurité lorsqu'il a été atteint à la gorge par une balle, provenant vraisemblablement de l'arme d'un policier qui a tiré en l'air pour disperser les manifestants.

so : "the young boy watched the fight between 200 young Kurds and forces, when he was hit by a stray bullet, apparently shot by a policeman firing into the air to disperse the demonstrators."

If that is true what a baby was doing to watch a riot on the roof of his house while hundred of Kurds and policemen fought each others ? Some parents are unconscious...

[heval]

Strange, it is not exactly the same text in French. it said :

L'enfant suivait depuis la terrasse de sa maison les heurts entre quelque 200 jeunes Kurdes et les forces de sécurité lorsqu'il a été atteint à la gorge par une balle, provenant vraisemblablement de l'arme d'un policier qui a tiré en l'air pour disperser les manifestants.

so : "the young boy watched the fight between 200 young Kurds and forces, when he was hit by a stray bullet, apparently shot by a policeman firing into the air to disperse the demonstrators."

If that is true what a baby was doing to watch a riot on the roof of his house while hundred of Kurds and policemen fought each others ? Some parents are unconscious...

Well, what are Turkish police doing firing their weapons without warning into the air? Careless acts and negligence result in murders of people of all ages. I don't know about you all, but if that happens in the U.S., the officer can be charged with negligence and put in prison for life.

[Piling]

We have a lot of riots in France this year and no baby was killed. Why ? of course our policemen don't shot with real bullets, but no young children was in the middle of the riots also. If someone goes to a violent demonstration with young children he would be severely blamed for that.

But concerning Batman I don't think it was deliberate. Just lack of reflexion from the family. I suppose they just wanted to watch the spectacle...

[heval]

I suppose they just wanted to watch the spectacle...

I have a lot of respect for you Piling, but that statement of yours just makes me sick.

[Piling]

I know how ppl there could be careless. Much children just fall down their terrace roof, just because there are no protection to prevent falling... I saw young children in PKK demonstration, without problem with police, but only in danger to be crushed by a crowding movement. And if you make remarks, Kurds answer you "insh allah" (pious version) or "it will make martyrs (PKK versions).

The same thing with drivers running at 100 km/hours on a mountain road or benzin sailers smoking with their benzin front of them... a kind of careless mentality... They never care of troubles before they come...

[heval]

I know how ppl there could be careless. Much children just fall down their terrace roof, just because there are no protection to prevent falling... I saw young children in PKK demonstration, without problem with police, but only in danger to be crushed by a crowding movement. And if you make remarks, Kurds answer you "insh allah" (pious version) or "it will make martyrs (PKK versions).

The same thing with drivers running at 100 km/hours on a mountain road or benzin sailers smoking with their benzin front of them... a kind of careless mentality... They never care of troubles before they come...

Okay, I understand your concerns regarding those issues but let's not make any assumptions here. The underlying issue is that the Turkish police are careless by firing their weapons in the first place. When people say things like what's mentioned above, they give these policemen the authority and rights to kill and kill by justifying their negligent actions.

[Piling]

Of course Turkish forces in Kurdistan will react and had reacted violently and too much for a democratic standard (but less violently than usually for Turksih standards). And this is a trouble for democratic circles in Turkey, and for the AKP which does not want to seem accept PKK provocation, but does not want to accept MHP provocation...

By the way the AKP pays its own ambiguous attitude for the last months.

And acting violently like the rioters make them expose to more violences. There are their aim : provoking brutal repression (not difficult to provoke from Turkish forces), making a lot of victims (young victims are better) and putting oil on fire for a general explosion.

Then violence and war restart. So who will be the winners ? The Kurds ? No. Just just the bellicist wing of the PKK (whith their leaders far from the battle field indeed) and the anti-EU Turkish movement.

Then there will be 2 winners : pro-war from the PKK and pro-war from Turkish state.

For the moment I have a quite of respect for Osman Baydemir's attitude. He tries to stay efficient and neutral between two victim makers' sides (police and PKK), calling everybody to calm and keeping cold mind, and for that reason he will be attacked by both sides.

[tomjez]

yeah...DTP attitude is good indeed.

But the rioters are a few thousand out of Millions of kurds, they don't represent anything but angry jobless educationless young kurds, brainwashed by PKK bullshit!

and YEAH if they're jobless and educationless it is ALSO turkey's fault, but the fact is it is a totally nihilst, without any hope but chaos and destruction, and yeah, death of little kurdish babies...


Funny thing, the only time I heard a gunshot in France while in my house, my parents made us go in a place without windows and stay there. It was some Gypsy mafia fights, and some bullets flied everywhere... are they coward or do they just think to protect their children when danger is around????

As piling say, it is striking to see to what extent kurds have no notion of danger...a baby in riots, kids in molotov cocktail throwing...