"Turkiye": the reality...

[Kurd delal in]

You mean PKK should sit on the Table with Turks in the negotiating process!!!

No Turk!
I mean the Kurds have a will, independently from you and your state. Your problem is that not only you don't respect the Kurdish will and impose your own will on them (which makes you barbaric fascist racist and all the negatives of the world), but you also try to extinguish the Kurdish will, political authority and self-determination.

You are who you are, the enemy of humanity...

The European Union can and I believe will make humans beings out of you. Once you join the EU you won't be able to lie around as you have done, behave like animals as you have done... You will learn to be civilised...

And what I meant was that the EU can restore the historical injustices that have been done to the Kurds. In 1920s, the Turkish statsmen claimed to represent the Kurds too. We now know that it was a lie.

I mean come on, you are nothing but liars. Who can anyone take you seriously? Your word is not worth a penny!

The Eu can help the Kurds re-claim their voice: the very voice that you and your state have been trying to silence in 85 years.

[Kurd delal in]

What was the rate of the votes the Party which supports your ideas? Let me say: 5 percent. This means at least 60% of the kurds do not support your pan-kurdist ideas.

I see you want to play a little, Turk!

ok...

So we have established that you are nothing but imposters, liars and enemies of humanity...

It is important that we agree on that first, before we can go on to play with words...

Once you accept your defeat as a human being, that you have failed in everything; that you have no country and that you have taking the Kurds' country by force; that all you have contributed to the world is pain, misary and death; that you have no friends but Saddams, Humeynis and Assads... Accept defeat, I will not only play with you but also rise you to the skies with my own humanity. I will share my humanity with you. I will teach you.

But first, you have to beg for forgiveness, not only from the Kurds but also the Greeks, Armenians, Asyrians, Lazs, and many others... And you have to promise that you will never put you eyes on another nation's land and honour.

You see, you have to understand WHY you are in Kurdistan... No one wanted to live with you back in Asia. No one trusted you. They all told you to piss off. All of them, all the way to Kurdistan. We ("God" bless our souls ) somehow let you stay. What did you do? You took over.

That's why you are imposters. You pretend and when you get your chance you steal, kill and occupy.

That's you. See yourself. Know the self!

You are talking about HADEP. HADEP got around 30% of the votes in Kurdistan. What they get "over the whole Turkey" means nothing because "Turkey" does not exist. the only thing that exists is the Turkish state and its terror. Despite that terror over 85 years, the Kurds are alive, standing and not giving in to this barbaric machinary.

In 85 years has the Turkish state tried to create a nation of "Turks", where everybody would say "Ne mutlu Turkum diyene"... The Lazs (:) "God" bless their souls too) have given up and are Turks now. But the Kurds never accepted such a thing.

Things are changing. The Turkish state is so confused that it doesn't know what do to. The only thing they can do is make films about what they would LIKE to do.

Meanwhile, the southern Kurdish state has made the Loussanne treaty invalid.

(if you want to play, do as I said first and beg for forgiveness. Otherwise, I can do without your shamelessly never-ending this-and-thats)

[piskrt]

Your words speak for themselves. You are a sich nationalist kurd which does not make any sense to me. Besides, I am kurdish, of courrse not a racist one like you.

[Kurd delal in]

Your words speak for themselves. You are a sich nationalist kurd which does not make any sense to me. Besides, I am kurdish, of courrse not a racist one like you.

To me it is clear what kind of Kurd you are... The one that is very much a product of Turkish colonialism...

It is obvious... You call me a "sick nationalist" and "racist"... why? Because I want the Turkish state out of Kurdistan... because I defend the Kurdish honour and freedom...

You speak with the tongue of your enemy!

The enemy is in your head.

Your mind is occupied by the enemy.

It is the enemy, not you, accusing me of "racism".

The enemy does that. Why? in order to hide its own racism.

And if you can't see that, you can't see yourself. If you can't see yourself, everything you say to me will lack meaning.

You see, you have to have a dialogue with yourself before you can have a meaningful one with me.

[heval]

heval Diri, don't get so upset. it is senseless to argue with people who support the Turkish state over the Kurdish cause. Tomjez, I have always been a bit confused about your position regarding Kurds but I suspect that you have some sympathy since you continue to visit Kurdistan websites and forums.

Nevertheless, I do not blame you because you said you lived in Istanbul just recently for about a year? It is easy to be deceived when living in that luxurious city in the corner of a poverty-stricken nation called Turkey. I remember when I was in Istanbul, I would hear European tourists telling one another what a "beautiful country Turkey is". I only wished they would visit the so-called southeast where Tanks sit in front of homes, and where you question why a country with cities that are bad enough to be considered third-world are so desperately seeking the EU.

I don't blame you, but I hope you open your eyes. Forget about your emotions towards the PKK and try to understand the Kurds of Kurdistan a little better.

[piskrt]

You are talking about HADEP. HADEP got around 30% of the votes in Kurdistan. What they get "over the whole Turkey" means nothing because "Turkey" does not exist.

This proves my case. YOU are a sich nationalist, egoistic kurd. NOTHING more. . Bu people like you are the problem. You should pray forgiveness from the people you terrorized. Your PKK menatlity does not mean nything to me. You are just a sich bastrd like other PKK fans. Go nad kiss APO's ass, I am sure he would welcome your service.

[Vladimir]

Piskrt, do you know Kurdish? Are you speaking Kurdish? Don't you feel inferior towards Turks?

[piskrt]

Piskrt, do you know Kurdish? Are you speaking Kurdish? Don't you feel inferior towards Turks?

No, I can not speak kurdish. Only my grandmother and my paternal mother can speak kurdish in the family.

Besides, why should I feel inferior?

[heval]

Piskrt, do you know Kurdish? Are you speaking Kurdish? Don't you feel inferior towards Turks?

No, I can not speak kurdish. Only my grandmother and my paternal mother can speak kurdish in the family.

Besides, why should I feel inferior?

Because that's how Turks make us feel when we are in Turkey.

[piskrt]

Because that's how Turks make us feel when we are in Turkey.

If you feel inferior, that is your problem. If you have the temptation that you are inferior, no one can hinder that.

Besides, I am livin in Turkey for 20 years and I have never fealt inferior.

By the way, how do they make you feel inferior?

[Piling]

But you say you don't speak Kurdish, and you feel yourself more "Turkiyeli" than Kurd in fact. Then why do you claim yourself to be a Kurd ? In fact what is Kurdish in you ? Perhaps you are only a Turkish citizen with Kurdish roots ?

[heval]

Because that's how Turks make us feel when we are in Turkey.

If you feel inferior, that is your problem. If you have the temptation that you are inferior, no one can hinder that.

Besides, I am livin in Turkey for 20 years and I have never fealt inferior.

By the way, how do they make you feel inferior?

Yes, please answer Piling's questions...

Discrimination against Kurds, Piskrt. Do you understand that?? And you are right, it certainly is my problem, and so I guess, it is every Kurds' problem. However, expect that social unrest comes with these problems. Therefore, it is Turkey's problem too.

[piskrt]

Perhaps you are only a Turkish citizen with Kurdish roots ?

Yes, I guess so. What is wrong with that? Besides, I feel both Turkish and Kurdish. and, I do not feel anything wrong with that. After all, being from a nation is about "feeling" not so much about who your father or mother is.

Discrimination against Kurds, Piskrt. Do you understand that?? And you are right, it certainly is my problem, and so I guess, it is every Kurds' problem. However, expect that social unrest comes with these problems. Therefore, it is Turkey's problem too.

Turkey's current interior miniter is a kurd as far as I know. If people were discriminated just because of their origin, you would not have kurdish MPs or business men, counsilors etc.

I guess, north africans are much more discriminated in France than kurds in Turkey. but, that is off the topic.

[heval]

Turkey's current interior miniter is a kurd as far as I know. If people were discriminated just because of their origin, you would not have kurdish MPs or business men, counsilors etc.

I guess, north africans are much more discriminated in France than kurds in Turkey. but, that is off the topic.

There were plenty of African-Americans who held professional and high positions in the United States prior to the civil rights movement but this does not prove that blacks were treated equally to whites.

You have such a simple-minded view of everything, Piskrt. Everything only has two colors for you, black and white, and you don't look very deep into the problems but only the surface, which is often what media portrays to the world.

[Piling]

Yes, I guess so. What is wrong with that?

Nothing. In fact everybody should have the right to live their own identity as they wish? The problem is that living its Kuridsh identity is not so easy than claiming to be a Turk.

Concerning the statuts of Northern African ppl in France, I am sure that a few number of Turkish nationalists are not ready to give the same status and freedom for their Kurdish citizens.