A simitçi killed in Istanbul

[Piling]

DOn't worry I'm sure that Tom joked except if a big stone fell on his head and changes his mind !

Increasing terrorist attacks against civil people, in Istanbul, could provoke only more trouble for Kurds. DTP ask the support of EU but be logical : How EU could support Kurds if they are involved in terrorism attacks against bus ? At a diplomatic point of view it would be suicide !

[heval]

How EU could support Kurds if they are involved in terrorism attacks against bus

Maybe done unintentionally but you are associating ALL Kurds with the attacks against the bus with that statement. EU should support those Kurds who have been wrongfully detained or injured, and demand answers for the ones who have been killed.

[Piling]

I don't associate myself, but be sure that TAK strategy (whoever they are) aims that confusion, as anti-Kurdish politician circles, and if DTP does not state clearly against these actions.

By the way even if EU wants to talk with Kurds in Turkey, who are their representative ? Öcalan ? A DTP puppet of Öcalan , which was going to say black one day and white another day because Öcalan changes his mind ? There is a huge question of "who represents legally Kurds in Turkey." Even election don't show a stroing majority of Kurdish support toward DEHAP, because their strategy of alliance with a Turkish party was too stupid.

[heval]

I don't associate myself, but be sure that TAK strategy (whoever they are) aims that confusion, as anti-Kurdish politician circles, and if DTP does not state clearly against these actions.

By the way even if EU wants to talk with Kurds in Turkey, who are their representative ? Öcalan ? A DTP puppet of Öcalan , which was going to say black one day and white another day because Öcalan changes his mind ? There is a huge question of "who represents legally Kurds in Turkey." Even election don't show a stroing majority of Kurdish support toward DEHAP, because their strategy of alliance with a Turkish party was too stupid.

DTP has condemned the violence, but condemned Turkey for their violent actions as well.

And who said EU should talk to the Kurds? You are asking yourself questions. Turkish Ankara, who claim they are democratic, should agree to discuss things with the legitimate DTP. The EU, on the other hand, needs to take a strong stance and condemn the violence against the Kurds in the "southeast" and also demand release of those wrongfully detained.

[zurderer]

Personally If there will be some (I dont support this) talking, I prefer TC talk with PKK, instead of puppet of PKK.(DTP)

pkk have power over dtp not otherwise.so why should we waste our time with DTP?

Even election don't show a stroing majority of Kurdish support toward DEHAP, because their strategy of alliance with a Turkish party was too stupid.

Dehap got most word an ethnic kurdish party ever got. You idea about alliance with a Turkish party dont explain this reality. It is just far from becoming majority of Kurds. PKK puppet parties dont get that much vote.

Of course This is true, If kurdish population is 20% of Turkey.

Most vote they got is, %7-8.

[Piling]

Heval it would be better for Kurds if they have fair representatives who could talk directly with EU. It is like you say "no need to have Kurdish representatives of Southern Kurdistan for EU, Iraq is enough."

[heval]

Heval it would be better for Kurds if they have fair representatives who could talk directly with EU. It is like you say "no need to have Kurdish representatives of Southern Kurdistan for EU, Iraq is enough."

I never said there is "no need". However, I doubt Turkey is ready for anyone in the world to make a distinction between who is representing the Kurds of Turkey as oppose to who is representing the entire Turkey and/or the cities that lie within it's borders. Also, you speak of the DTP as puppets. Regardless of what your opinion is of the DTP, they are a legitimate pro-Kurdish party with elected officials in the Turkish system. The Turkish Government must respect that and be able to hold discussions with the DTP in a democratic environment. Failure to do so is contrary to Turkey's whole "democratic movement", (which in reality hardly exists).

[tomjez]

I totaly agrea with you diri. Tomjez are you joking or is that your real opinion?

I was obviously joking

[zurderer]

Heval dont you understand? power of dtp is zero, why do you discuss with a party who have no power.You can gain nothing from this discussions.

Plus erdogan said, refuse terrorism and come to table.

[heval]

blah blah blah

DTP officials are elected and legitimate. They have the people's support.

They "refused terrorism" by condemning all violence.


And Erdogan shouldn't be talking about terrorism when he sits with Hamas.

[zurderer]

that hamas thing is complately different, It is a hand to hamas for forsake their terrorism way. It failed like his hand to dtp.

Erdogan have a better understanding of kurdish issue, but now, he have no choice but to become nationalist, because people think he is guilty because of rise of kurdish nationalism.(He said our common thing is citizenship of Turkey)

He called himself as georgian(at georgia), his wife is arab,so he is not a nationalist turk.

They "refused terrorism" by condemning all violence.

wrong, they refused operations of Turkish army against PKK, PKK is now weak, so DTP is trying to give them some free time.

DTP officials are elected and legitimate. They have the people's support.

agree, but that doesnot mean, he can discuss goverment itself.or do you think mhp also should discuss about how to suppress kurdish minority? CHP got 4 time more vote than DTP, and erdogan dont listen them too.

By the way, becoming elected doesnot mean, you can do unlawful act.

[Piling]

that hamas thing is complately different, It is a hand to hamas for forsake their terrorism way. It failed like his hand to dtp.

After the bloody Eastern days in Israël, I am not sure that Erdogan's strategy was the best one.

[heval]

You answer my posts line by line with opinions and irrelevant statements.
Thanks for the conversation, Zurderer. I'm bored now...

[heval]

that hamas thing is complately different, It is a hand to hamas for forsake their terrorism way. It failed like his hand to dtp.

After the bloody Eastern days in Israël, I am not sure that Erdogan's strategy was the best one.

[cheryl]

that hamas thing is complately different, It is a hand to hamas for forsake their terrorism way. It failed like his hand to dtp.

That HAMAS thing is completely different because Turkey wants them to end their terrorism and that is why the Islamist, Erdogan, extends his "hand" to them, is that it, zurderer? But the Islamist Erdogan cannot extend a hand to Kurdish "terrorists" in order to get them to end their "terrorism?" Sounds like a BS excuse to me, one that you just made up to CEA (Cover Erdogan's Ass).

If Erdogan is the Turkish PM, then why isn't he primarily concerned with the atrocious treatment of Kurds in his own "country?" Why doesn't he end the bloodshed that his government is guilty of for the past 83 years? I guess he's just not as dedicated to Turkey as he is to the OIC.

Next you'll be telling me that Erdogan is going to initiate the Waziristan Peace Process by inviting bin Laden to Ankara, only to extend a hand so that al-Qaeda ends the "cycle of violence" (peaceniks, even fake ones, LOVE to use that phrase, "end the cycle of violence." It is SO lame).

The Turks whine that HAMAS is democratically elected. So are the DTP politicians, so this means that Erdogan (and you) are full of more BS, because Erdogan doesn't recognize the democratically elected leaders of the Kurdish people under Turkish repression. . . meaning there is NO democracy in Turkey. It's a huge FARCE.

"People" think that Erdogan is guilty of causing Kurds to demand their rights? Another BS excuse. Turkish repression is what makes Kurds demand their rights. Besides, in Turkey it doesn't matter what the "people" think. It ONLY matters what the MGK thinks--more proof that Turkey is NO democracy.

Erdogan is "turning nationalist" because the MGK ordered him to "turn nationalist," although Fethullahci gangsters like Erdogan don't really need to "turn nationalist;" they are already that way. But Erdogan is going to do what he's ordered to do by the military because he knows what will happen to him otherwise, in addition to the fact that he has no cojones (you know, balls, family jewels, scrotum, whatever you want to call 'em). If he doesn't do what he's ordered to do, he'll have an accident, his car will blow up with him in it, he'll suffer a mysterious "heart attack," etc., and he knows it. That's why Erdogan himself is engaged in a little CEA here.

Of course, any little "accident" that he has will be blamed on the PKK or DTP or Kurds in general or that good old standby--THE JOOOOOOOOS! My money's riding on PKK in the case of this little eventuality, though.

If being elected doesn't mean that you can do unlawful acts, then why, if Erdogan is also elected, does he do the unlawful act of allowing TSK and all the other scumbags that form the Turkish security forces, to engage in live-fire exercises on unarmed Kurdish civilians--especially women and children? This is against all laws of land warfare. . . except in fascist countries.

But even in this case, Erdogan is a good little lap dog, isn't he? His excuse will forever be: "I was just following orders," a la his brother in fascism and genocide, Adolf Eichmann.