Iranian troops attack to South Kurdistan

[Diri]

No, i don't say that Kurds don't wanna leave Turkey for Kurdistan because it's beautiful, yes Turkey is beautiful but main reason is that Kurdistan offers nothing to Kurds that's comparable to Turkey's.

Don't TWIST my words... You KNOW what I meant... I was paraphrasing your words... So if I said "beautiful" - I meant it in the way that you described Turkey: Full of opportunities and chances for the man on the street...

That is a lie as you know... You only have to go to Istanbul, Ankara and other "big" cities and see the DILENCi on the street... How about all those people who come from the villages to work in the city in summer... Because there are no jobs for them in their own villages/towns...

Turkey is far from Paradise... 10 million of it's population are considered to be under fatal conditions - That's what the BNP says anyway...

And that is what your eyes will tell you if you walk down a street in Istanbul...

[Piling]

yeap he doesn't seem to know Beyoğlu, or Gazipaşa and all the shantytowns. If so much Kurds are in West, it is by forced deportation.

For the moment, Turkey offered not much to Kurdish regions, only devastation, underdevelopment and genocide.

Investment ? tss. When I was in Dersim in 2001, people wanted to create a factory for mineral water bottle, because of their sources. Military refused it, and then people were obliged to buy mineral water from Western Turkey, though they have a lot of sources. It is only one example...

And rebuilding all the villages which were burnt, in short "restauring" the Kurdish regions is necessary before comparing "Turkish development" and theKurdish one. Even in Southern Kurdistan, you seem to disdain cities like Hewlêr of Duhok but you don't seem to know that this part of Kurdistan was absolutely destroyed in 1991. They have made a great job in a short time. 15 yeard after 1923, how was Turkey ?

[Diri]

yeap he doesn't seem to know Beyoğlu, or Gazipaşa and all the shantytowns. If so much Kurds are in West, it is by forced deportation.

For the moment, Turkey offered not much to Kurdish regions, only devastation, underdevelopment and genocide.

Investment ? tss. When I was in Dersim in 2001, people wanted to create a factory for mineral water bottle, because of their sources. Military refused it, and then people were obliged to buy mineral water from Western Turkey, though they have a lot of sources. It is only one example...

And rebuilding all the villages which were burnt, in short "restauring" the Kurdish regions is necessary before comparing "Turkish development" and theKurdish one. Even in Southern Kurdistan, you seem to disdain cities like Hewlêr of Duhok but you don't seem to know that this part of Kurdistan was absolutely destroyed in 1991. They have made a great job in a short time. 15 yeard after 1923, how was Turkey ?

[zurderer]

Istanbul was a bad example, plus all big cities have their poors. Istanbul is not difference than londra berlin or paris. Except our crime rate is lower.(Just guess reason)

[Piling]

Gecekondu are everywhere. In fact, grace to Turkish army, Northern Kurdistan is a wide gecekondu.

[kurdistani]

Istanbul was a bad example, plus all big cities have their poors. Istanbul is not difference than londra berlin or paris. Except our crime rate is lower.(Just guess reason)

Really... My Turkish friends sai that Istanbul is experiencing a crime wave since the economy slowed down.

[zurderer]

That is true, but our crime rates are still low.

Plus reason is not economic slowdown, infact economy is booming (now). reason is immigrants who have no talent for a decent job.

[kurdistani]

That is true, but our crime rates are still low.

Plus reason is not economic slowdown, infact economy is booming (now). reason is immigrants who have no talent for a decent job.

I think the problem is that although there is offically macro growth. The sectors of the economy that are growth sectors are not major employers. This coupled to inflation, high oil prices and continued population growth = social unrest....

[zurderer]

Again I agree with you(except inflation, It is low acording to turkish standarts ) growth of economy does not produce enough jobs, but I dont think there is a large social unrest. Infact there is hope.

[kurdistani]

Again I agree with you(except inflation, It is low acording to turkish standarts ) growth of economy does not produce enough jobs, but I dont think there is a large social unrest. Infact there is hope.

the point is that social unrest in turkey has been contained by the hope that the EU will solve may of Turkey structural problems. However, the EU dream is not so strong as it was. In the medium term there could be many social problems, not just the Kurdish issue, but a lack of jobs and housing. This can lead to political radicalisation as in the 1970s...
We will see...

[zurderer]

the point is that social unrest in turkey has been contained by the hope that the EU will solve may of Turkey structural problems.

This is true for kurdish people, Turkish people care for economy. If there wont become any economic criss, refection of EU will not effect turkish people much.

This can lead to political radicalisation as in the 1970s...

Turkey is already radicalised. People are already divided two part. Religious and secular ones. (This is more dangerous division than turkish-kurdish one)

Interestingly, Kurdish-turkish division is decreasing, not increasing. Both DTP and MHP is trying to decrease tension. Infact Some MHP members spoken kurdish at a party congress.(I dont remember where is it.)

Without a large turkish backslash, I dont think Turkish-kurdish tension will increase.

[Vladimir]

Yes, that was such a strange incident. MHP congres somewhere. A radical shift with the past?? Or an individual step? Party leaders didn't do anything.

[zurderer]

there is a lot kurd at mhp.

[Vladimir]

Assimilated Kurds

[zurderer]

asimilated is wrong word. They know they are kurd, and they can talk kurdish. So how can you say they are asimilated?