Abdullah Öcelan

[Piling]

euh... the thread has 4 pages. What is the original question ?

[Dilsad]

You are right Piling ...sorry...
It really isn't the original question...

I was referering to:

Is the pkk responsible for the ethnocide ( that's for Piling that doesn't like the term cultural genocide ) in Kurdistan?

And Diri, actually, three citizen of france agreed that our kurdish cities have an issue with speaking kurdish

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[Diri]

Dilshad - my questions about your turkurdish - you never answered them - so I think you took them personally and as insults...

LOL - if you had read ONE or maybe TWO more of my posts - you TOO would know that I have Greek and Assyrian roots... And I am DAMN proud of that too - because I am NO LESS KURDISH...

So you are just prejudiced when you say things like you did say... About Greeks and Armenians I mean...

You never commented about ROJ TV's Turkurdish... Is it correct Kurdish to call Europe "Avrupa"? That is a rhetorical question... No need to answer it... But I am sure you will!

However - let's talk about the PKK's role in the ethnocide:

The ethocide is the Turkish states FAULT... But the PKK - doesn't do preventative work: the war has made things worse... They have targetted Kurds who don't want to support the PKK - and that has lead to destruction of Kurdish language - BECAUSE: Kurdish Social structure has been destroyed by the war... Do you know WHY Kurds in large Kurdish cities don't speak proper Kurdish? Because they have nobody to teach them Kurdish - they live on the streets and they wanna live well - and they think speaking Turkish solves everything - and they are victim of the state police - who targets anybody who hasn't got a good grip on Turkis - because they are "PKK Terorrists" - all these things... What does PKK do about it? Let me know...

[Piling]

Concerning the culture and language, Turks are the main actors and responsible, from the beginning of the republic until now.

But they have been helped in their project by the PKK during 90s, even if not all of them realized immediately the result of their policy.

And I reproach to this party to have made nothing against that "culturicide". But it was in their logical. They were marxist-leninist. When extremist marxists did care of culture, except their own propaganda ?

[Dilsad]

First Diri, you are the one with the prejudice, that's why you asked about my Kurdish...and yeah I do speak a kurdish with turkish in it, as do yourself I am sure, which is only natural.
Again, unless you have been isolated and you have not been in contact with any other people, you will not keep a "pure" language.

But I am not after a pure language Diri, I am after the kurdish independance!

Now, are you actuall blaming the pkk for its war against the state of turkey? Because it does sounds like it...
And I love how you can jump from a fact to an "analytical conclusion" just like that...

the war has made things worse... They have targetted Kurds who don't want to support the PKK - and that has lead to destruction of Kurdish language - BECAUSE: Kurdish Social structure has been destroyed by the war

So the pkk comes to you Diri and says "hey listen Diri, you've got to support us, or else..." and you go learn turkish to show them that they are wrong?

Come on "arkadashe min" , you can do better than that...

Now again, as I said it in another postings (if you had read ONE or TWO of my postings), "please do not put some of us in the position of defending the pkk". I know that they have crazy people in their mist and leadership, but I also know that a lot more people have joined them for a good cause, which is the freedom of Kurdistan!!!

So let's cut the bullshit and just agree that your hatred for the pkk has from time to time blinded your thought process...no?

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Once you take the red pill there is no turning back....

[Dilsad]

and to make things clear,
I do not support a party or another...

So I DON'T SUPPORT THE pkk , and I don't support the pdk or the puk!

I am not a party follower, I will come however and support Talabani or barzani when they are true to the real gaol, ... I would do it to with apo too...but he has not said anything sain in the past 10-15years...he is just a good old middle eastern leader/dictater.

D.

[Piling]

he is just a good old middle eastern leader/dictater.

I think he is more Turkish than a Middle-Eastern man. And some aspects in the PKK are very Turkish..

But of course we could wonder if Turks are or not in ME or Europa ?

According to me they are neither European nor Oriental, since Kemalism. It is a part of their psychological troubles... They are rootless.... They have tried to eradicate Kuridsh culture (and others) but they are themselves rootless. For that reason they hate these Mesopotamian/Armenian/Greek people with their milleniums of History...

[Dilsad]

ouuh I like how you say europa instead of avrupa...is that how I should say it in kurdish (real kurdish)

But you are right, miste kor has tried and setup "modern" turkey for failure and for a split of personality...

that's why they have eradicated anything looking smelling tasting like ME...at least they are trying even if they have not succeeded.

I read once a quote from him about turkish music...and it is quite sickening...he wanted a total reshaping of turkey...

Ax, why did our leaders followed him back then....

[Diri]

ouuh I like how you say europa instead of avrupa...is that how I should say it in kurdish (real kurdish)

But you are right, miste kor has tried and setup "modern" turkey for failure and for a split of personality...

that's why they have eradicated anything looking smelling tasting like ME...at least they are trying even if they have not succeeded.

I read once a quote from him about turkish music...and it is quite sickening...he wanted a total reshaping of turkey...

Ax, why did our leaders followed him back then....

That says it all... You must go and re-read my post, please...

[Diri]

First Diri, you are the one with the prejudice, that's why you asked about my Kurdish...and yeah I do speak a kurdish with turkish in it, as do yourself I am sure, which is only natural.
Again, unless you have been isolated and you have not been in contact with any other people, you will not keep a "pure" language.

But I am not after a pure language Diri, I am after the kurdish independance!

Now, are you actuall blaming the pkk for its war against the state of turkey? Because it does sounds like it...
And I love how you can jump from a fact to an "analytical conclusion" just like that...

the war has made things worse... They have targetted Kurds who don't want to support the PKK - and that has lead to destruction of Kurdish language - BECAUSE: Kurdish Social structure has been destroyed by the war

So the pkk comes to you Diri and says "hey listen Diri, you've got to support us, or else..." and you go learn turkish to show them that they are wrong?

Come on "arkadashe min" , you can do better than that...

Now again, as I said it in another postings (if you had read ONE or TWO of my postings), "please do not put some of us in the position of defending the pkk". I know that they have crazy people in their mist and leadership, but I also know that a lot more people have joined them for a good cause, which is the freedom of Kurdistan!!!

So let's cut the bullshit and just agree that your hatred for the pkk has from time to time blinded your thought process...no?

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Once you take the red pill there is no turning back....

That says it all... Please, please, go and re-read my post...

[Dilsad]

Whatever Diri, YOU WIN!!!

[Diri]

Whatever Diri, YOU WIN!!!

Turkurdish - isn't when you mix in Turkish words with Kurdish... Turkurdish is MORE ABOUT: speaking Kurdish in a Turkish accent as well...

You are wrong - I don't speak like you (in e.g. "arkadashe min")... I try to not mix in Persian, Turkish and Arabic - and IF I do - I will say them in a Kurdish way...

PS - "Avrupa" is Turkish... In proper Kurdish it is "Ewrûpa"... Funny thing is that it means "todays foot" in Kurdish...

Which is very true...

[Dilsad]

oh I don't either, I try not to use turkish words when I speak kurdish, specially when they have equivalent.

Now, hope you got that "arkadashe min" was a joke

I do not speak like that, remember I am from the paytexta kurdistane

D...

[Diri]

oh I don't either, I try not to use turkish words when I speak kurdish, specially when they have equivalent.

Now, hope you got that "arkadashe min" was a joke

I do not speak like that, remember I am from the paytexta kurdistane

D...

Yeah... Good... But my point was that Turkurdish is also when a person speaks his/her Kurdish with Turkish accent... In a wannabe Turkish way - they do that on ROJ TV all the time... "qarshilamish ket" - "chalishmish naket" and other stupid phrases - are also part of Turkurdish - but when you say your "K"s in a Turkish way... And when you don't know how to pronounce Q, X and W - there is something elementary wrong with your Kurdish... I am not saying you speak in that way - cause I don't know how you speak... However - since you are from Amed - I can expect you to speak a fluent and better Kurdish than many other places in North Kurdistan...

Pronouncing Europe as Avrupa - is a sign of assimilation - and the start of something tragic...

I am not blaming the PKK for the assimilation of Kurds - but making Turkish the official language of PKK - and not demanding independence - those are kicks below the belt on Kurdish pride... Who would wanna be part of a "dream nation" with no goal and no pride?

[Dilsad]

Thank you Diri,

and I agree, making turkish the official language is a grave mistake.
even though I understand how someone could use another language for practical reasons, the official stance should be that Kurdish is the language...

Hope you see what I mean when I say "practical reasons"...like what we are doing now, speaking in English rather than Kurdish.

D.