Kurdish group takes credit for Istanbul cafe blast

[zurderer]

my friend can you tell me, why we have more kurdish people in turkish land than kurdistan? I hope you dont think all of this 10 million exiled?

Hmmm? something wrong?

If zazas call themself as zaza nor kurd, this is their rights, you have no right to tell them, what is their nationality.

For your Info, at least some of zazas call themself as zaza, not kurd.

Infact you wont care for your own people, you wont care for 10 million kurds and their lifes.

If you dont care for your own people. I dont know, you should care for what. did hitler cared for how much their people suffered?

If you can sacrifice 10 million of your people for that land, why do you think nationalist turkey cannot sacrifice 10.000 people for to hold that lands?

[Diri]

my friend can you tell me, why we have more kurdish people in turkish land than kurdistan? I hope you dont think all of this 10 million exiled?

Hmmm? something wrong?

If zazas call themself as zaza nor kurd, this is their rights, you have no right to tell them, what is their nationality.

For your Info, at least some of zazas call themself as zaza, not kurd.

Infact you wont care for your own people, you wont care for 10 million kurds and their lifes.

If you dont care for your own people. I dont know, you should care for what. did hitler cared for how much their people suffered?

If you can sacrifice 10 million of your people for that land, why do you think nationalist turkey cannot sacrifice 10.000 people for to hold that lands?

I don't get it... What is your point?

I have already in a thread LONG ago showed what I think about Zaza's... If you care to find out - it is somewhere in the "Kurdistan" section... It's title is "Zazaistan"...

People can be whatever they wanna be... That is something Kurds KNOW - and which Turks need to learn...

I don't understand what you mean by sacrificing 10 million of my own people...

By the way - there are more Kurds IN Kurdistan than outside... There are, like you say about 5-10 million outside of Kurdistan - but more than that are in Kurdistan...

Amed, Wan, Riha, Meletî, Elazîz and Dersîm alone account for some 5-6 million people... And then we need to take the other Provinces into account; Mûsh, Agrî, Colemêrg, Mêrdîn, Shirnex, Cizîre, Bidlîs, Batman... Let's just put up a map:

[Diri]

Let me just point out one thing for you:

You see all the white parts IN Kurdistan? Those are areas where Kurds have been exiled from in large numbers.

And you see the green in Konya and Ankara? That is where many of the exiled Kurds were sent in the EARLY times - of Atatürk...

Often refered to as "Haymana Kurds"...

We need to remember that many of the exiled Kurds have become assimilated - and today call themselves Turks...

I wouldn't dream of sending them back to Kurdistan... Everybody should live where ever they want to... But a KURD wants to live in Kurdistan - Home sweet home...

[zurderer]

Konya kurds was exiled by ottomans, If I dont remember wrong.

My friend, did you ever look where hadep gets its votes?

Infact more than 50% vote hadep get was turkish lands, only istanbul they got more than 200.000 vote.

I am realy curious, did you ever lived in Turkey, or did you realy cares for election, and how much ethnic kurdish party get, and where.



Also that map is bulshit, adana? erzurum? yozgat? antep? urfa? hatay?

No, you didnt live in Turkey. Dont you follow elections?

[Piling]

Infact more than 50% vote hadep get was turkish lands, only istanbul they got more than 200.000 vote.

From refugees and displaced people, they are a great support.

By the way, why do you talk about HADEP all the time ? If you follow the current political life in Turkey as you want to make us believe, you would know that HADEP had been banned by Turks many years ago. So in the last elections, HADEP did not participate.

[zurderer]

Infact more than 50% vote hadep get was turkish lands, only istanbul they got more than 200.000 vote.

From refugees and displaced people, they are a great support.

By the way, why do you talk about HADEP all the time ? If you follow the current political life in Turkey as you want to make us believe, you would know that HADEP had been banned by Turks many years ago. So in the last elections, HADEP did not participate.

Ok Sorry, I just remember ethnic kurdish party with that name, It is changing name to much quickly.

It was dehap, wanna see how many vote it get and where?

As I said they are neither displaced people, nor refugees. We are talking 5-10 million people, only 1-2 million of them immigrated to turkish lands for burned villages.

[Diri]

Konya kurds was exiled by ottomans, If I dont remember wrong.

My friend, did you ever look where hadep gets its votes?

Infact more than 50% vote hadep get was turkish lands, only istanbul they got more than 200.000 vote.

I am realy curious, did you ever lived in Turkey, or did you realy cares for election, and how much ethnic kurdish party get, and where.



Also that map is bulshit, adana? erzurum? yozgat? antep? urfa? hatay?

No, you didnt live in Turkey. Dont you follow elections?

I don't think you got my point: There are Ethnic Kurds in Turkey who are more TURK than an Ethnic TURK... Comprendo? Meaning - assmilated into Turks... So they wouldn't vote for a Kurdish party!

What has my living in Turkey got to do with anything? Are my words any different if I haven't lived in Turkey?

Yozgat is a fascist place... Same with the majority of that area... I know Turkey very well for somebody who doesn't live there. But I don't know it as well as a person who does live there.

I do know the election results... What is your point? Don't you know that many people are afraid to vote for Kurdish parties because of prosecution? And how about ALL the votes that go to wast because a Party doesn't get OVER 10 % baraj?

Glad that hey have lowered the baraj...

[Diri]

Zurderer - obviously you don't know Turkey too well...
Adana and Mersin have HUGE Kurdish populations...

[Piling]

As I said they are neither displaced people, nor refugees. We are talking 5-10 million people, only 1-2 million of them immigrated to turkish lands for burned villages.

They did not immigrated, they have been brutally and savagely expelled by your marvellous and kind soldiers, the pride of your nation, after they have been suddenly gathered in the square of their villages, and obliged to leave, without the permission to bring something with them... And they had to see their house burnt... even animals in houses burnt too... Nice and honourable army...

Only 1 or 2 million ? lol.

[zurderer]

is this realy difficult to explain this, I am not talking about asimilated kurds, I am talking about people as much as kurd you. People who voted ethnic kurdish party.


Dehap got 9.27%(even less than mhp,11.41) vote at adana, and 9,53 at mersin.(mhp got 18.42)



Also noone afraid to vote for kurdish party, specialy at turkish lands.Ah should remind you PKK also forced people to vote dehap?

[zurderer]

As I said they are neither displaced people, nor refugees. We are talking 5-10 million people, only 1-2 million of them immigrated to turkish lands for burned villages.

They did not immigrated, they have been brutally and savagely expelled by your marvellous and kind soldiers, the pride of your nation, after they have been suddenly gathered in the square of their villages, and obliged to leave, without the permission to bring something with them... And they had to see their house burnt... even animals in houses burnt too... Nice and honourable army...

Only 1 or 2 million ? lol.

So how many? Infact 2 million is even an over estimated, and they didnt exiled to turkish lands, as I said they houses is burnt, and some of them went kurdish cities(like diyarbakır) and other turkish lands.(like istanbul)


And It is not more than 2 million.

[Piling]

No they could not oblige them to vote now, for if it were the case, DEHAP should have gained the former elections in Kurdish areas, not AKP.

But during HADEP activity (and HADEP was not the same party than DEHAP), many times, army threatened people that if they vote HADEP they will destroy their villages. And Turkish Special Forces killed many HADEP candidates during their campaign, like Mehmet Sincar, for example.

[zurderer]

No they could not oblige them to vote now, for if it were the case, DEHAP should have gained the former elections in Kurdish areas, not AKP.

But during HADEP activity (and HADEP was not the same party than DEHAP), many times, army threatened people that if they vote HADEP they will destroy their villages. And Turkish Special Forces killed many HADEP candidates during their campaign, like Mehmet Sincar, for example.

Why dehap? they didnt much good for kurdish people, also at elections It was dehap who get largest vote.

what you talk about is municipality elections.

By the way, be sure, Turkish army hates AKP much more than kurds or hadep.(both of them is ethnic kurdish pkk parties.)

[Piling]

Well if you consider that the population of Diarbakir increased from 380 000 inhabitants in 1990 to 1 million en 1996, you could have a good estimation of the huge displacmeents of population in Kurdistan and Turkey. In 1998, a reaport of UE gave the number of 8 millions of people, among taht 3 millions in Istanbul.

And it was in 1998.

[zurderer]

Well if you consider that the population of Diarbakir increased from 380 000 inhabitants in 1990 to 1 million en 1996, you could have a good estimation of the huge displacmeents of population in Kurdistan and Turkey. In 1998, a reaport of UE gave the number of 8 millions of people, among taht 3 millions in Istanbul.

And it was in 1998.

8 million are you mad? lost your mind?

Dehap only get 1 million vote, acording to your numbers, dehap at least should be get 3,4 or 5 million vote at this lands.

If there were 3.5 million exiled kurds at istanbul, Dehap should get 2 million vote, not only 200.000 vote.

Or do you think, exiled kurds dont care about dehap?