"Turkiye": the reality...

[tomjez]

Geneva Convention is only available between two armies of official states... no guerilla.

Geneva convention says that when a separatist movement holds a consequent part of a territory they can be part of it

PKK never achieved it, however they said in the past they would respect it

my ass

[zurderer]

Because that's how Turks make us feel when we are in Turkey.

realy? our pm Erdogan is georgian(he said this at georgia), his wife is arab.

Abdullatif Şener is chechen, inferior minister is a kurd.(I am sure there were a lot non-turks too) I dont know why any of them should be feel inferior, you know any reason?

do you see, an ethnic problem at TBMM?

Hold it there, Turk!

My nick is zurderer, do I call you hold it there kurd?

The state we are talking about is a TURKISH state, ie the Turks' state and nothing to do with the Kurds.

should I list every name again? dont you have kurdish parlements? or kurdish people were only pkk people?

This state belongs to the Turks and its sole purpose is to protect and advance the perceived TURKISH interests

?? what is turkish interest? should it be turkey interest?

At the same time, this TURKISH state has as its main objective to exterminate the Kurds, their history, identity and everything that has to do with Kurds and Kurdistan.

asimilate can be better word but even It is half wrong, firstly Turkey no more follow this aim, secondly Kurds in turkey enhanced theirr power not other way. Infact now a lot fasist, want to prefer a divided country.(kurd cleansed, no kurd at turkish lands) This mean at least 10 million kurd should change his place. are you sure this is what you wanted?

So don't come and make ity look like the TURKISH state is some kind of "neutral" administrative body that approches both Kurds and Turks equally.

No It is not, kurds dont pay taxes, dont pay for water and electricty, and rebel a lot.(so say a turkish fasist)

The TURKISH state is racist and Turkish. Its flagg, offical history, language, "national" anthem etc etc all Turkish and nothing to do with Kurds.

Well, Flag is not racist, It comes from ottomans.

National anthem is also far from become fasist, It is wroten by Mehmet Akif(an albanian who call themself an albanian).There is not even one Turk word inside of it. Plus writer is not a nationalist, but pan-islamist.

Offical langauge is turkish, so this is what happen at all country.Majority=Official langauge. Infact I dont see any reason to change this.

Official history is turkish, that is true.

You are a typical Turkish fox to use the PKK to divide the Kurds.

You are talking like you or other people here were importan people, we are a bunch of people who can change nothing at large scales.

THIS STATE IS AN OCCUPATION FORCE AS FAR AS THE KURDS ARE CONCERNED.

are you from turkey?

And as I said eralier, any Turk with some disancy would focus on criticising the occupation force. After all, what you call the "Kurdish question" is nothing but Kurdistan being occupied and governed by the Turkish, Syrian and Iranian states.

so what about more than 10 million kurds, who live in Turkish land? what do you think about them?

Notice the difference between "state" and "country". Turks have a state but no country. Their country is wherever they occupy by force.

so kurds too. You lands were zagros mountains, not malatya, van or kars.

The Kurds' country, however, is Kurdistan and therefore whatever force the Kurds are using is legitimate whereas any force the Turks are using is illegitimate because the occupation of Kurdistan is illegitimate. Despite everything, the Turkish state is illegitimate as far as Kurds and Kurdistan is concerned.

If kurdistan was where kurds live, that is true. If where they always lived, It is not. You are not natives of that lands to, before you comes, armenians and arabs.

And yet again, typical Turkish way of living: distortion and misinformation... You are so naked and out there that it is laughable. The benefits and protection the Turkmens are getting from the southern Kurdistani government is more than the Turks have given to any non-turkish people in their entire history. The only "Turkmens" that are the enemy of the Kurds in the south are those who are under direct influence of the Turkish state, the JITEM and MHP, ie the Masters of Darkness.

I see how you see things perfectly.

What was the rate of the Turkmen Milli Cephesi votes in the last elections?

so most kurds dont vote for Dehap,dtp. Also should remind you, Pkk forced some people to vote them. Not otherwise, or DTP cannot take more vote at istanbul than diyarbakır.

The European Union can and I believe will make humans beings out of you. Once you join the EU you won't be able to lie around as you have done, behave like animals as you have done... You will learn to be civilised...

now,I see who is behaving like animal.

that you have no friends but Saddams, Humeynis and Assads...

That were the friends of PKK(except Saddam), Turkey never befriended with them. It is interesting how you see world.

But first, you have to beg for forgiveness, not only from the Kurds but also the Greeks, Armenians, Asyrians, Lazs, and many others... And you have to promise that you will never put you eyes on another nation's land and honour.

Will you give 80% of turkey kurdistan to armenians? oh ofcourse you not.

You see, you have to understand WHY you are in Kurdistan... No one wanted to live with you back in Asia. No one trusted you. They all told you to piss off. All of them, all the way to Kurdistan. We ("God" bless our souls ) somehow let you stay. What did you do? You took over.

racist, racists.

How can you put the entire state-machine on a nation, terrorise them, frighten them to silence and then go to the polls and say "look, you only what this and that percentage, ha ha ha"...

That is what pkk doing, kurdish bussiness men fought with rioters at batman not police.

[zurderer]

The PM of Turkey, Erdogan, says:

"If you cry tomorrow, it will be in vain," and "The security forces will intervene against the pawns of terrorism, no matter if they are children or women. Everyone should realise that."

is this anything wrong at this? or should we let these innocent people,to burn three women like they did at istanbul?

[hajeer]

It's too sad to see how the jash have taken over this forum. This is a kurdish forum and we still have to listen to the nonsense of a bunch of brainwashed to justify their masters' killings and crimes.

It's too sad for me to read the posts written by Zurderer. I feel sorry for my nation. Our enemies have always used our kind to fight us whether by guns or pens; they have divided and ruled, this is sorani, that is badini, that is PUK that is KDP, this is irani kurd that is iraqi kurd, this is shia that is sunni, this is zaza that is ahl-haq... and it never stops. I am very sad because I see we can never be united even when the enemy kills our 6-year olds we should still be arguing among ourselves to find out we should blame PKK or the crinimal turkish state.

And let's make it clear to these jash that there is no such thing as turkish land. All that is Kurdistan. Istanbul and Ankara are kurdish cities and will return to its people and all the turks will be kicked back to the middle asia where they came from except those who want to live in peace and harmony with us as neighbors respecing our language and tradition and our people. This fight will not end until that day comes, the turks will not see peace until that day comes and that day shall be close.

[zurderer]

And let's make it clear to these jash that there is no such thing as turkish land. All that is Kurdistan. Istanbul and Ankara are kurdish cities and will return to its people and all the turks will be kicked back to the middle asia where they came from except those who want to live in peace and harmony with us as neighbors respecing our language and tradition and our people. This fight will not end until that day comes, the turks will not see peace until that day comes and that day shall be close.

Good luck.

[Vladimir]

Because that's how Turks make us feel when we are in Turkey.

realy? our pm Erdogan is georgian(he said this at georgia), his wife is arab.

Abdullatif Şener is chechen, inferior minister is a kurd.(I am sure there were a lot non-turks too) I dont know why any of them should be feel inferior, you know any reason?

How can you call them Georgian, Arabs or Checken or Kurds? They don't speak their own language and are assimilated into Turkish culture. In my defitition etnics are faithfull to their own race (Kurds) and talk in their own language (Kurdish). Therefore I also don't see you as a Kurd, but as an assimilated drone.

And about the 3 people killed. It wasn't the intention of the PKK worshippers. They throwed it at the bus. They are too foolish to know what could have happened. TAK off course will kill everybody in their way. But TAK and PKK are controlled by the Turkish deep state and are only tools of the Turkish nationalists. Especially Apo. That's why he is treated so well!

[tomjez]

And about the 3 people killed. It wasn't the intention of the PKK worshippers. They throwed it at the bus. They are too foolish to know what could have happened.

OK, in the real world when you throw a flamed bottle full of oil, you expect it to do some damage.

even if they are totally stupid, they knew it was not supposed to create a cool yellow green red firework with little children cheering and claping.

[Vladimir]

Ok, you are right Tomas.

[zurderer]

How can you call them Georgian, Arabs or Checken or Kurds? They don't speak their own language and are assimilated into Turkish culture. In my defitition etnics are faithfull to their own race (Kurds) and talk in their own language (Kurdish). Therefore I also don't see you as a Kurd, but as an assimilated drone.

I am not kurd, I am turk.


I dont call them as Georgian, Arabs or Checken or Kurds. They call themself.

I am not judging turks different too. If a turk at germany who dont know turkish call himself as Turk. He is turk acording to me.

That benefit thing is bulshit, one of my friend think, exiling all kurd to turkey kurdistan and closing border complately and not accepting kurds is beneficial for Turks.(Not Turkey). (If you think a little, you will see he is right, now we have much kurds at our large cities, and less turk at kurdistan, It is half lost war for turks, If growth rate of population dont change)

If my loyalty lies to my race, I will support him to, so am I not turk?

And about the 3 people killed. It wasn't the intention of the PKK worshippers.

They aimed that bus, It is not a random bullet.

They throwed it at the bus.

which consist a lot civilians, It is not empty bus.

They are too foolish to know what could have happened.

I am sure they are knowing bus will be burned.

TAK off course will kill everybody in their way. But TAK and PKK are controlled by the Turkish deep state and are only tools of the Turkish nationalists. Especially Apo. That's why he is treated so well!

now stay here a little.

when pkk is killing innocent, you were accusing turkey(turkey did it no pkk).when turkey is killing pkk terrorist you are again accusing turkey.

now you accuse again turkey for using pkk terrorism.

what do you think will happen? pkk was not only a terrorist organization but also a large crime organization.

Do you realy think, they will sit and watch when they are loosing power?

now, at kurdistan you have one of biggest crime organization and you are still accusing Turkey.

[Diri]

Don't need to offend Red Green and Yellow, Tom...

Those are our NATIONAL colors... You making fun of them is VERY offensive...

[tomjez]

Diri no offence meant I'm sorry if you found this offensing

During my first year in turkey when I discovered the kurdish issue I was always wearing some yellow green red stuff just to piss off the fascists...

And I still have in my pocket a green yellow red tepsi offered to me by a kurd in diyarbakir in 2003

So NO OFFENSE! I was more criticizing the brainless buses flamers than the colors of kurdistan...........

[Vladimir]

How can you call them Georgian, Arabs or Checken or Kurds? They don't speak their own language and are assimilated into Turkish culture. In my defitition etnics are faithfull to their own race (Kurds) and talk in their own language (Kurdish). Therefore I also don't see you as a Kurd, but as an assimilated drone.

I am not kurd, I am turk.


I dont call them as Georgian, Arabs or Checken or Kurds. They call themself.

I am not judging turks different too. If a turk at germany who dont know turkish call himself as Turk. He is turk acording to me.

That benefit thing is bulshit, one of my friend think, exiling all kurd to turkey kurdistan and closing border complately and not accepting kurds is beneficial for Turks.(Not Turkey). (If you think a little, you will see he is right, now we have much kurds at our large cities, and less turk at kurdistan, It is half lost war for turks, If growth rate of population dont change)

If my loyalty lies to my race, I will support him to, so am I not turk?

And about the 3 people killed. It wasn't the intention of the PKK worshippers.

They aimed that bus, It is not a random bullet.

They throwed it at the bus.

which consist a lot civilians, It is not empty bus.

They are too foolish to know what could have happened.

I am sure they are knowing bus will be burned.

TAK off course will kill everybody in their way. But TAK and PKK are controlled by the Turkish deep state and are only tools of the Turkish nationalists. Especially Apo. That's why he is treated so well!

now stay here a little.

when pkk is killing innocent, you were accusing turkey(turkey did it no pkk).when turkey is killing pkk terrorist you are again accusing turkey.

now you accuse again turkey for using pkk terrorism.

what do you think will happen? pkk was not only a terrorist organization but also a large crime organization.

Do you realy think, they will sit and watch when they are loosing power?

now, at kurdistan you have one of biggest crime organization and you are still accusing Turkey.

Turkey’s plan for Ocalan
Zeki believes that Turkey has a goal in mind which it wants to achieve through Ocalan.

“Turkey wants Ocalan to continue his political activities once again for two main objectives: First, to use him against South Kurdistan (Iraqi Kurdistan).
Secondly to push its own Kurds to remain under his control, this in turn means its own control”.

http://www.peyamner.com/article.php?id= ... ng=english
I am talking about Deep State, not hole Turkey.

[tomjez]

Zeki...

Ahmet Zeki Okçuoglu??? former lawyer of öcalan, he was fired because he wanted to make the trial a trial of turkish state

he is on the black list of PKK


I wonder if it's the same

[tomjez]

yeeep that's him

[Vladimir]

Zeki...

Ahmet Zeki Okçuoglu??? former lawyer of öcalan, he was fired because he wanted to make the trial a trial of turkish state

he is on the black list of PKK

I wonder if it's the same

I know one of his family members. He is a politician here .