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Who said that?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:16 pm
Author: tomjez
“If a federal Kurdish State is set up first in Iraq and then in Turkey, we will see Turkey being swallowed up by bloody fighting. Turkey will not accept this…We will not be the slaves or the sacrificial lambs of nationalism. Today, Kurdish feudalism is asking for their share from the Turkish bourgeoisie, tomorrow Kurdish feudalism will demand a ‘federal’ Kurdish state, this state will unite the Kurds in Mosul-Iraq and force these people to attack the Kurdish people, the PKK, and Turkey. I forecasted this danger earlier and that is why I asked for the reconstruction of PKK. We are trying to defend ourselves against those traitor Kurds. They have a fake and dangerous Kurdish nationalism...Jalal Talabani has mobilized these [fake Kurdish nationalists] against Turkey. He has a plan; after a Kurdish federation in Iraq is established, he will come to Turkey to set up a new Kurdish federation there…I have been struggling against [Kurdish] nationalism since 1992. The Turkish state has recently started to understand this.”


Guess :mrgreen:

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:20 pm
Author: tomjez
Even better!

"When we investigate history, Kurds are playing the same role in the 2000s in the Middle East as the Greeks played in 1918s in Anatolia. In 1918, Great Britain used Greeks as a tool in order to weaken Anatolia, whereas today USA is trying to use Kurds as a tool in the Middle East. A democratic resistance front must be developed against this danger; a front based on the Turks’/Arabs’/Farsis’ brotherhood/sisterhood & freedom.”


So who said that?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:22 pm
Author: Piling
Big Moustache ?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:32 pm
Author: tomjez
We are saying, let’s be united with the Turkish people. There is the impact of Jalal Talabani’s nationalism. They are ignoble and terrible. They will want to inflame [the Kurdish] nationalism. I am living here in hard conditions but we are still not an enemy of the Turkish people. These people also destroyed the Turkmen people… Barzani and Talabani are very dangerous and vulgar. Arafat’s nationalism is more valuable than theirs. Nationalism of Barzani and Talabani is primitive nationalism… My inheritance cannot be used based on nationalism…”


Even I can't be believe it :shock:

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:37 pm
Author: Piling
Barzani and Talabani are very dangerous and vulgar. Arafat’s nationalism is more valuable than theirs. Nationalism of Barzani and Talabani is primitive nationalism… My inheritance cannot be used based on nationalism…”


On reconnaît la patte inimitable ! :lol:

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:41 pm
Author: tomjez
Still, he is the leader of all kurdish people.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:52 pm
Author: Piling
Still, he is the leader of all kurdish people.


And just because he is very modest. In fact, he would deserve to be the leader of the world.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:56 pm
Author: zurderer
Piling wrote:
Still, he is the leader of all kurdish people.


And just because he is very modest. In fact, he would deserve to be the leader of the world.



should we thank him?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:57 pm
Author: tomjez
Turkey should definitely thank him, Kurds I'm not too sure. And world is so injust: Turks hate him and Kurds love him...

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:59 pm
Author: tomjez
Even foreign intellectuals see I have a healthy way of thinking.


:lol: Honestly, I love his speeches...

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:00 pm
Author: tomjez
I am saying this for everybody; my defence is much deeper than a super philosopher


Barzani and Talabani are buying villages in Antalya. All sons of Barzani are welcome in VIP saloons in Ankara and Istanbul. How is this happening? This is even hidden from the Turkish people. Barzani and Talabani will be attacked to Turkey tomorrow as well as Melik Firat [president of HAK-PAR].


Jealous guy :mrgreen:


ALL THIS EXTRACTS COME FROM OZGUR POLITIKA, PKK ORGAN. Not from turkish press, so it is 100% Öcalan, the guy DID say all these things...

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:10 pm
Author: zurderer
tomjez wrote:Turkey should definitely thank him, Kurds I'm not too sure. And world is so injust: Turks hate him and Kurds love him...



uh? should I call him hero too? or why should we love him? because he ordered people to kill babies?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:10 pm
Author: dyaoko
I dont belive this is a Kurd's words, whats your source Tom ?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:15 pm
Author: tomjez
It's Öcalan, and the source is Özgür Politika via Kurdishmedia.

It is extracts of Öcalan interviews with his lawyers.

This is about Mizgin Sen escape from PKK, and the reaction of öcalan

don’t believe this (person) is a PKK person. She just claimed herself. When did she join us? When did she leave? You will hold the woman and tell her “Ocalan didn’t even bring you to his mind” Why shall I give her morale? I only give morale to my people, not to individuals. This woman wants something but, what? She was just a sympathizer. Now they made her vice president. Mizgin cannot go anywhere like this. Let her give her calculation correctly. How can we know she is not going to work with other states in future? She must come to a position not to damage us. There are even rules for simple woman as well. Will she sit in a normal way? There are rules for social and political relations. Those who will leave must convince us. My defence is here, those who accept it, stay. Those who will not, leave.”


I think this is called "call to murder of dissidents".

For the sources

http://www.kurdmedia.com/reports.asp?id=1981

http://www.kurdmedia.com/reports.asp?id=2036

http://www.kurdmedia.com/printarticles.asp?id=2124

Or directly in turkish

http://www.ozgurpolitika.org/2004/05/15/hab01.html

http://www.ozgurpolitika.org/2004/05/08/hab01.html

http://www.ozgurpolitika.org/2004/05/03/hab01.html

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:15 pm
Author: tomjez
You see my point I guess...why I can't stand people saying Öcalan is the leader of kurdish people...