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Nice and tolerant islamists in Kurdistan

PostAuthor: Piling » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:08 pm

Some extracts via kurdistanweekly.com about Marywan Halabjaye's situation

"Almost every day they have a programme against me. They interview scholars and mullahs on how to punish such an infidel . . . the Islamists said once from the radio, if they found out where I was, they would blow themselves up with me.

"A couple of weeks ago in Halabja, the mullahs and scholars said if I go to them and apologise they will give me 80 lashes and then refer me to the fatwa committee, to decide if I am to be beheaded. They might forgive me, they might not."

"The Kurdish authorities have not provided any protection from threats and fatwas," says Marywan. "Apart from phone calls from progressive and freedom-loving people in Kurdistan and abroad I have nothing else . . . Any moment I am expecting a bullet or a hand grenade to be thrown into where I live."

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PostAuthor: Rubar » Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:37 pm

Piling wrote:Some extracts via kurdistanweekly.com about Marywan Halabjaye's situation

"Almost every day they have a programme against me. They interview scholars and mullahs on how to punish such an infidel . . . the Islamists said once from the radio, if they found out where I was, they would blow themselves up with me.

"A couple of weeks ago in Halabja, the mullahs and scholars said if I go to them and apologise they will give me 80 lashes and then refer me to the fatwa committee, to decide if I am to be beheaded. They might forgive me, they might not."

"The Kurdish authorities have not provided any protection from threats and fatwas," says Marywan. "Apart from phone calls from progressive and freedom-loving people in Kurdistan and abroad I have nothing else . . . Any moment I am expecting a bullet or a hand grenade to be thrown into where I live."

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This is a disgrace. They should round these mullahs up and lock them somewhere. I hope the Kurdish government will not give the opportunity to these ANIMALS to kill in accordance with Islamic law. This event demonstrates that Islam is not compatible with modern society. I hope the young muslim Kurds take a different stance than these mullahs.


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PostAuthor: Mosul » Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:41 pm

hahahah Marwan is such garbage.

He claims that Kurds say that they will blow themselves up with him!! BS!!!

Kurdish Islamists never do, or say such things!


Down with Liers, and to the ones that believe them!

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PostAuthor: Piling » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:02 pm

He claims that Kurds say that they will blow themselves up with him!! BS!!!

Kurdish Islamists never do, or say such things!


Kurdish islamists have made one hundred of victims in Kurdistan, as kamikazes (remember the suicide attacks in Hewlêr). I don't see the difference between them and other "Green fascists". These assholes when they pray have even the Wahhabit ritual. Half Saudi half Kurd ?
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PostAuthor: Mosul » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:28 pm

Pling i dont even think you are from Iraqi Kurdistan, or you have been brainwashed by the dirty french people amongst you.

The Islamists in Kurdistan are mostly moderate, they are pro-west, and are tolerant towards christians and Yezidis.


I know this for a fact

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PostAuthor: Mosul » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:29 pm

“This is Your Country”

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Michael J. Totten

Feb 16, 2006

ERBIL, (Southern Kurdistan) – Iraqi Kurdistan has an official tourism board, but that doesn’t mean the region gets many actual tourists. Despite the fact that it’s by far the safest and (almost certainly) the most pleasant place to visit in Iraq, it has a long way to go before it becomes a holiday destination.

Travelers (rather than “tourists”) who don’t like running into other travelers, who yearn to be “off the map,” and who would rather learn about the world than take a break from it, might appreciate Kurdistan, though, as long as they don’t expect too much modernity or too many Western amenities.

Entertainment culture doesn’t really exist there yet. Don’t go and expect to have fun. Egypt, for example, is far more grim and depressing than Kurdistan, but it’s easier to have a good time if that’s what you’re looking for. Guatemala is much poorer and more dangerous and more politically dysfunctional, but it’s still a better place to go as a typical tourist if you want good food, hotels, and attractions.

I don’t mean to criticize when I say this. The Kurds have been through decades of fascism, genocide, and war. They suffered more than any other group of Iraqis. Northern Iraq endured more recent hardship than any other place I have ever been in my life. Scratch just beneath the happy veneer of Iraqi Kurdish adults and you’ll find people with family members murdered by Baathists, who experienced unimaginable oppression by a regime that wanted to completely erase them, and who fled to the mountains during the uprising in 1991 when the cities of Iraqi Kurdistan were emptied of people. They still have no sewage system, and they still only have a few hours of electricity each day. Having a good time just isn’t a priority for them right now.

But they do what they can with what they have. I went to a Turkish restaurant for dinner after sunset on the outskirts of Erbil on the way to the Christian suburb of Ainkawa. The entire neighborhood was dark. Not even a street light was on. The place had an eerie end of the world feeling to it. When I stepped into the restaurant, doubting it would even be open, a sharply dressed waiter led me upstairs to a room full of tables lit by candlelight. The restaurant was half full even in the dark, and the kitchen was serving hot food. Each table was draped in a white tablecloth. European-style mouldings framed the windows and the tops of the walls. Beautiful chandeliers hung from the ceilings. The place had class even in darkness. The waiters all spoke Turkish amongst themselves. They were Turkmen – in other words, Iraqi Turks who speak a slightly different dialect of Turkish than is spoken in Turkey. Dinner was amazingly good, much better than anything I expected to eat in Iraq. The food tasted all the better because it seemed so unlikely in a place that didn’t even have any light.

It’s impossible not to admire these people. Their attitude is go-go-go, build-build-build. They won’t let a little thing like a permanent power outage get in their way. They are the last people in the world anyone dare call lazy or apathetic.

Getting to know the people is the best reason to travel to Kurdistan, actually. Every Middle Eastern country I’ve been to has a tradition of hospitality that can’t be overstated. But the Kurds are even warmer than usual. Several Iraqi Kurds said “This is your country” when they first met me. How could I not love people who greet me this way? Especially when I know very well that it isn’t a polite (and culturally compulsory) cover for quiet anti-Americanism.

Iraqi Kurdistan is more pro-American than America. People there refer to George W. Bush as “Hajji Bush” (meaning he made the Muslim pilgrimage, the hajj, to Mecca), an incredibly high honor for a Christian from Texas whom most people hate. Bill Clinton may have been America’s first “black” president. But people in at least one part of the world say Bush is the first “Muslim” president. Weird and amazing, but true.

Thomas Friedman once described Poland as “a geopolitical spa,” a great place to visit if you’re tired of reactionary anti-Americanism. Iraqi Kurdistan may be a better “spa” than even Poland.

Before I went to Iraqi Kurdistan I asked a friend of mine who has been there about politics, economics, and security in the region. She thought my questions were a bit strange and not what she expected. She said that, for her, Kurdistan is a place to connect to through the heart. I first thought her response was “girlie.” I don’t so much anymore.

UPDATE: I wasn’t as clear above as I should have been. At least one liberal reader (in the comments) was put off by what I wrote about George W. Bush and Kurdish pro-Americanism.

Kurds aren’t Republicans. Not once did anyone say “I thank George W. Bush for freeing us from Saddam.” Thanks were always given to America as a whole. I never heard a single disparaging remark about the Democratic Party, John Kerry, etc.

Anyway, Kurdish pro-Americanism goes way beyond mere thanks for getting rid of Saddam Hussein. Kurdish people think like Americans in ways that surprised me again and again. Admiration for American values and culture is ubiquitous in that region. Even the Islamists I met were weirdly pro-American in some ways – and again it’s not just because the US destroyed Saddam Hussein. It goes deeper than that, and I’ll get into it in detail in future posts.



how do you like that Pling???? Should we still all believe you?

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PostAuthor: dyaoko » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:06 am

mosul you are being too nasty and racist, you have no right to call peopel of a country "DIRTY" and you dont know piling so you better shut your dirty mouth.

and I see how moderate islamist kurdish parties are , they are that moderate that ask their followers to kill a kurdish writer JUST for writing a book .
yes ofcourse they are moderate and open minded.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then YOU WIN !
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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:20 am

In February 2004, when a islamist made him blow up with one hundred of people, with hundred of wounded people and dead victims, in Erbil, during a religious feast... do you remember ? do you remember that one of the 2 guys was Kurd ?

And no need to copy-paste long text about Kurdistan and its nice people. I know. But if Kurdistan is a beautiful and friendly country, it is not thanks to Islamic parties. In fact it is AGAINST islamic parties.

By the way I am not Kurd, then you can call a pure French Kafir if you like... :lol:
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PostAuthor: Mosul » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:53 pm

Oh no problem at all Pling, i think that name suits you much better :D

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