A bloody Newroz to come

[tomjez]

PKK strategy has become quite obvious in the past months. I think they will try to create the conditions for a bloody Newroz in Kurdistan.

Let's remind that the 3 last Newroz have been "relatively" peaceful in Turkey, due to the end of the "state of emergency" in November 2002.

I was in Diyarbakir in march 2003 and there were no serious problems: in the morning a guy carrying a big PKK flag was arrested, but no other police intervention on the Newroz field.

This year, I think PKK will try to provoke Jandarma and Army to attract repression on the kurdish people. All these demonsrations in Istanbul and Diyarbakir ended up with beating and arresting, burning of buses, stoning of police car, attacks with molotovs. This had not been seen for a few years, and I'm afraid this has become a ground policy for PKK.

So bloody newroz to come.

Of course, I hope I'm wrong....

[piskrt]

PKK strategy has become quite obvious in the past months. I think they will try to create the conditions for a bloody Newroz in Kurdistan.

Let's remind that the 3 last Newroz have been "relatively" peaceful in Turkey, due to the end of the "state of emergency" in November 2002.

I was in Diyarbakir in march 2003 and there were no serious problems: in the morning a guy carrying a big PKK flag was arrested, but no other police intervention on the Newroz field.

This year, I think PKK will try to provoke Jandarma and Army to attract repression on the kurdish people. All these demonsrations in Istanbul and Diyarbakir ended up with beating and arresting, burning of buses, stoning of police car, attacks with molotovs. This had not been seen for a few years, and I'm afraid this has become a ground policy for PKK.

So bloody newroz to come.

Of course, I hope I'm wrong....

Yes, that is right. One minister also warned officials about that. However, if I were administering Turkey, I would welcome such a "bloody" newroz. I would let PKK fans to stone as much as they like, burn buses, bring down windows or things like that as long as they do not kill anybody. It would reflect PKK as a mob not a "freedom fighter" and alinate kurs even more.

[tomjez]

The thing is that turkish police is not really known to watch kurdish demonstrators without intervening...so it won't happen!

[dyaoko]

tom you are acting so sickly , it is like

there is one big insane monster that becomes mad when it sees flowers , and you call all those who like flower "traitor" and "stupid" and "terrorist" and ask them to do in favor of the Big insane Monster.
and you wish , nobody like flower , so the big insane monster dont become mad.

I am sorry Tom , the problem is your Love, Turkey, not kurdish peopel, it is them who should change .

Tom your words and deeds are so much more stupid than PKK , at least they give their life for their words .

[piskrt]

Tom your words and deeds are so much more stupid than PKK , at least they give their life for their words .

Yeah, I am sure PKK is the "flower" of all kurds.

[Piling]

If the PKK make a "bloody Newroz" this year, it will be according to Turkish services' will. Pro-war are going to work together.

[tomjez]

om you are acting so sickly , it is like

there is one big insane monster that becomes mad when it sees flowers , and you call all those who like flower "traitor" and "stupid" and "terrorist" and ask them to do in favor of the Big insane Monster.
and you wish , nobody like flower , so the big insane monster dont become mad.

I am sorry Tom , the problem is your Love, Turkey, not kurdish peopel, it is them who should change .

Tom your words and deeds are so much more stupid than PKK , at least they give their life for their words .

I can't really see how denouncing the fact that young kurds get arrested or die against turkish police make me "pro turkey"

I only say "I think the PKK will try to create clash during the newroz"

Let's wait and see. What will you say if it happens? That it is fascist turkey's fault?

[tomjez]

I am sorry Tom , the problem is your Love, Turkey, not kurdish peopel, it is them who should change .

Sorry but it is totally childish

In ANY COUNTRY when rioters attack police and burn cars, there is repression. In France they arrest people, in Turkey they beat and kill them: huge difference.

PKK perfectly KNOWS what they're doing. There is nothing spontaneus: when PKK orders peaceful demonstrations, they demonstrate. When PKK orders Riots, they riot.

And if they order riot, I can't see how it will serve kurdish people. It will only serve the turkish extreme right, the fascist faction of the military, and all the people opposed to kurdish rights in turkey will be able to say "see, we authorize their bloody language, and they riot! it is useless, let's defend the republic, blablabla"



Sorry for that but you don't make the difference between "acting sickly" and "being neutral"

So on march 22, when we will be counting bodies of "shehid" killed in riots, and turkish nationalism will become crazy, maybe you'll remember what I was saying on february 28.

Remember the episode of the flag burning by 2 kurdish children last year on Newroz???? Great thing!!! It served kurds so much!

[dyaoko]

I am sorry Tom , the problem is your Love, Turkey, not kurdish peopel, it is them who should change .

Sorry but it is totally childish

In ANY COUNTRY when rioters attack police and burn cars, there is repression. In France they arrest people, in Turkey they beat and kill them: huge difference.

1- so you belive it is kurdish peopel who should change ?
2- by your words , it was saddam's right to kill kurds, because kurds were doing riot against sasddam too.

Comparing France and Turkey ? OMG !!!!

you love turkey just because Turkey gives Simple Personal Life Freedoms which are Un-Islamic Rights , infact your love to Turkey is because of you hate to islam .

[dyaoko]

Dude you told me a few days ago that Iran was much better than Turkey and was more democratic, I think your analytic skills don't allow you to insult me

was more democratic

did I say that ?

I belive Iran is a better place for a personm who wants to be Kurd , than Turkey, in Turkey you can Wear what cloth you want, you can drink ... (those kind of CHEAP HUMAN RIGHTs...) but you couldnt not speak kurdish for years

in Iran you can not wear what you want , you can not drink, ... but you wont be offened by Peopel and Government AS MUCH AS TURKISH PPL AND GOVERNMETN if you speak kurdish and publish kurdish things.

so "COMPARED TO TURKEY" "COMPARED TO TURKEY" "COMPARED TO TURKEY" "COMPARED TO TURKEY" , Iran is Paradise for Kurds.
(compared to turkey)

in both iran and turkey you dont have High Class Human Rights, like Freedm of Speech , (acording to RWB Turkey had closed just a fewer number newspapers than Iran ) they were almost the same number of the newspapersman who were arrested by both governments...

but in the medias there are a lot of propagenda against Iran, they call it Axes of Evil and... while they call Turkey "model of the democarcy for the whole middle east"

the truth is iran and turkey are so so close to each other in the Rank of Human Rights ... (look at statistics) but they are showing Turkey as the model of democarcy and iran as axes of evil.

it is unfair, honestly , I think COMPARED TO TURKEY iran is paradise FOR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BE KURD.

peopel like you Tom and Michael Rubin have a lot of hate toward Islam (I am not relligous but I dont hate any relligion) , they love every country which they can hire a whore in it or drink or ...


I remember Michael Rubin's article about how Democartic Southern Kurdistan is , he said "I could drink , I could gap with ladies... "

and he also 1000 times repeated that turkey is the model of democracy for the whole history for the same Reason "because he could hire whores , and dirnk...and do a lot of un-islamic things"

and his words are so close to yours, "Hunt PKK from mountains"
I bet you would love all kurds of turkey become Turk and all kurdish language be assimulated and thats your solotuion for Turkey.



whatever PKK is , and I dont like them, they have Weapons and Army , and they can fight . thats a fact, it is not important what ochalan says in his prison .

if you are a friend of kurds you should try to lead PKK , they are more advise-able than PUK and KDP .

[tomjez]

1- so you belive it is kurdish peopel who should change ?
2- by your words , it was saddam's right to kill kurds, because kurds were doing riot against sasddam too.

Comparing France and Turkey ? OMG !!!!

you love turkey just because Turkey gives Simple Personal Life Freedoms which are Un-Islamic Rights , infact your love to Turkey is because of you hate to islam .

??? Mosul, leave Diyaoko's body....

[tomjez]

peopel like you Tom and Michael Rubin have a lot of hate toward Islam (I am not relligous but I dont hate any relligion) , they love every country which they can hire a whore in it or drink or ...


I remember Michael Rubin's article about how Democartic Southern Kurdistan is , he said "I could drink , I could gap with ladies... "

and he also 1000 times repeated that turkey is the model of democracy for the whole history for the same Reason "because he could hire whores , and dirnk...and do a lot of un-islamic things"

and his words are so close to yours, "Hunt PKK from mountains"
I bet you would love all kurds of turkey become Turk and all kurdish language be assimulated and thats your solotuion for Turkey.

Ok I won't reply to that, really too childish for me....Yes I'm Michael Rubin in a grey wolf body and I love sex, alcoohol and rock'n roll, and I want kurdish language to disappear

I think this was obvious