Iran's new president snubs Kurds

[heval]

Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Jul. 06 – Iran’s President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
harshly turned down demands by Kurdish members of the Majlis (Parliament) to include Iranian Kurds in his cabinet, a Kurdish deputy said after meeting Ahmadinejad.

Mohammad Karimian, a deputy from the Kurdish region of Sardasht and
Piranshahr in western Iran, was speaking to reporters after a Kurdish
delegation met Ahmadinejad in his temporary office in the Iranian
parliament.

“In the meeting, we suggested the names of Kurds who were suitable be
included in Ahmadinejad’s cabinet and we told him that, in light of
events in Iraq and the election of a Kurd as President, it was imperative
for him to invite Kurds to take part in the cabinet”.

Ahmadinejad was quoted by the Majlis deputy as having abruptly replied,
“Don’t try to prod me with talk of Iraqi Kurdistan! I don’t take them
as a model”.

Kurds, one of the largest minority groups in Iran, have long suffered
under Iran’s clerical regime.

Kurdish sources and other Iranian opposition groups have said that
Ahmadinejad was involved in the suppression of ethnic Kurds in Iran as a
top commander in the Revolutionary Guards’ Ramezan Garrison in western Iran in the 1980s and as the security adviser to the governor-general of Kurdistan Province.

Austrian officials said this week that they were investigating
Ahmadinejad’s alleged role in the 1989 assassination of a prominent Iranian Kurd in Vienna.

[Diri]

Sad isn't it?

But you know what??? Whoever said "People deserve their government" (Think it was Condeliza Rice) was RIGHT ABOUT that...

The Persians have been oppressing Kurds for centuries and now it is their time to have the fun of being the oppressed...

[heval]

problem is that Kurds will have to suffer once again right along with them...

[Diri]

You see - The Kurds have a tradition for suffering, oppression and prosecution - we know and have learned how to get by... But those poor fools have only recently tasted the bitter apple...

[Dilsad]

are we talking about the same fools that lost about 1millions of their own (with I'm sure a bunch of kurds) during the Iran-Iraq war?

I see your point Diri, but come on they have suffered as well...don't you think?

I think we need to be carefull and make a distinction between the governement and the poor people....

D...

[Diri]

Sure they have... But they will never be able to match the sufferings a Kurdish martyr mother and sole provider of her children has had to endure... Or her ten year old girl who has been raped by the Jandarma... And later tortured to death...

It's nothing to brag about realy... We have the most tragic newer history - It makes me cry...

[Dilsad]

I agree my friend, we have a VERY tragic history...and we have the right and should be ANGRY!!!!!!...we just need to not become who we hate the most...
not that I am saying you or anyone on this forum is...but we need to still be sensitive to other people suffering...even if they are the people of the state we are fighting against...
That's the only thing that makes us BETTER than they are...

Have you seen Time for Drunken horses? Dema hespen serxwes?
That movie jsut make me want to shoot myself...it makes me cry each time I watch it...
Have you ever seen "rabbit proof fence" ? It's an Australian movie...if you haven't PLEASE watch it...

D....

[dyaoko]

diri , I still see Persians as my Reall borthers and sisters...

you cant never imagine how we kurds and persians been tighted up, nobody can seperate us....like "Cyrus" the king of Iran Empire , who his mother was kurd and his father was persian.

but you are right in some cases... i myself been a small persian city for university exam.... the problem with them is they are so Shia.

in iran a federal system can stay for long, and can respect kurds right as a diffrent ethinci.
(but I belive federal system in iraq will result independence forsouthern Kurdistan)

[Diri]

Dilsad - please don't be too moral... Of course I don't really hate any of them... I only hate the officials of the states... And I can't stand their supporters - they are somwhat worse in some cases...

Dyaoko - I DO know what you are talking about - sure we have a close tie with Persians - but don't be blinded by their propaganda of "we are all Iranians" Because WE ARE NOT! We are Kurds... We don't want to be a part of a PERSIAN Empire - If they are so serious about all the nations living together - then they wouldn't mind if Kurdish was the official language, and that the capital was Kermanshah! But they don't want that - they say "all our litterature is in Persian" - NO IT IS NOT! What about all the Kurdis, Baloch, Azeri, Arab, Sistani, Bakhtarani etc litterature???
Don't you see? They want Persians to remain the superior ethincity - To them - Kurds are another brick in the wall...

Besides - if you are talking about similarities - we are MUCH closer to the Afghani... Both culturall, religious, linguistic etc etc etc----> Have you heard an Afghani speak? Sounds like he is speaking Kurdish...

[doopaman]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4659287.stm

Former enemies Iran and Iraq say they will launch broad military co-operation including training Iraqi armed forces "It's a new chapter in our relations with Iraq," said Iranian Defence Minister Admiral Ali Shamkhani.

He was speaking at a joint news conference in Tehran with his Iraqi counterpart Saadoun al-Dulaimi.

Relations between the neighbours - who fought a bitter war from 1980 to 1988 - have improved greatly since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

This is the first visit to Iran by an Iraqi military delegation since the war, in which a million people died, started.
The promise of co-operation comes despite repeated accusations by the US - which has about 140,000 troops in Iraq - that Iran has been undermining security there.

"No one can prevent us from reaching an agreement," Mr Shamkhani said when asked about possible US opposition.

Forgiveness

Mr Dulaimi echoed his Iranian counterpart's view about a new era of Iranian-Iraqi ties.

"I have come to Iran to ask forgiveness for what Saddam Hussein has done. The same has to be done with Kuwait and all Saddam Hussein's victims," he told the news conference.
Tehran has asked Baghdad not to allow the US to establish long-term military bases on its soil, fearing that it would consolidate what Iranians see as the American and Israeli military domination of the region.

But Mr Dulaimi insisted that foreign troops were needed to ensure Iraqi security.

He added: "Iraq will not be a source of insecurity and instability for any of its neighbours. Nobody can use [Iraqi territory] to attack its neighbours."

Sensitive issues

Among other areas of co-operation, Mr Shamkhani listed mine clearance, anti-terrorism, identifying those still missing from the Iran-Iraq war and training and re-equipping the Iraqi army.

The two ministers said more sensitive issues such as a full peace treaty and war reparations were still a long way from being resolved.

"We have come to our Iranian brothers to ask them for help and we have not yet started on the more sensitive issues," Mr Dulaimi said.

In May Iran's foreign minister promised to tighten security on the two countries' border on his first visit to Baghdad.

An Iraqi government delegation headed by Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari is expected to visit Tehran next week.

It would seem the Shi'ite are giving the U.S a hint that they don't wont them there too long maybe so that Shiittes security forces will take charge of the country’s security.

[Dilsad]

All I know, is that the only way we Kurd can live in peace and have our rights respected is within an independant Kurdistan.
We are NOT persians...even though we do share some common things, we are different.
It's like this saying...Turks call Kurds ABE (big brother) when they need them and then call them OGLEM (son) when they don't...
I'm sure there is something similar for the persian or for the iraqi/syrian...

I am hoping and wishing that Barzani and Talabani will bring out their best into securing a federal iraq in which Kurdistan can be autonomous, the same way it has been for the past 15years...
We need and deserve such place...

And I can't wait to go and visit and have my passport stamped with the State of Kurdistan visa!

D....

[heval]

diri , I still see Persians as my Reall borthers and sisters...

you cant never imagine how we kurds and persians been tighted up, nobody can seperate us....like "Cyrus" the king of Iran Empire , who his mother was kurd and his father was persian.

but you are right in some cases... i myself been a small persian city for university exam.... the problem with them is they are so Shia.

in iran a federal system can stay for long, and can respect kurds right as a diffrent ethinci.
(but I belive federal system in iraq will result independence forsouthern Kurdistan)

Sorry Dyaoko, only Kurds who were willing to accept Kurdish as a dialect of Farsi and Kurds as a sub-race of the great Persian one are brothers.

[Mosul]

Medya is right, out of arabs,turks, and persians, we are the most closest to persians, the langauges are very very similar, that also goes for other indo-persian languages, like puktoon,and balcohi are very close to kurdi.

[Mosul]

I think the olny country kurds can be part of in the middle east right now, is Iraq. We have no rights in Syoria,Turkie,and Eran, Olny in iraq, do kurds have power. Not to be boastful, but kurds in Iraq have fought harder for kurdish rights, then any kurd, in iran,syria,and turkey.

[Diri]

Mosul - first of all - FOR THE LAST TIME - It's INDO- IRANIAN - NOT "INDO- PERSIAN"!

And second - I don't think you got the point - We aren't saying that Persians aren't close to us... WE KNOW THAT!... We are saying - THEY ARE AS BAD AS TURKS AND ARABS... They don't wanna give human rights to Kurds - and they won't give them to Baloch, Sistani, Bakhtarani, Arabs or Azeris - Persians are the power elite of Iran - And they are oppressing ALL of these people in the name of "unity" and "islam"... Those are all LIES - we are close to them by language, culture and appereance - but we are not in BLOOD with them...

A very nice rule to go by:
KURDS FOR KURDISH BLOOD!


And third - Iraqi Kurds have NOT FOUGHT more than other Kurds... Even when you are THINKING this it makes you seem ignorant - Come on -you know better than this!

To say that is like saying "I have endure more pain than you" - and that as you should agree is RELATIVE...

Kurds in East Kurdistan and North have been fighting VERY hard... I don't know TOO much about the Western Kurds - but they have had their share of the oppression...

Please - read some info on the net instead of accusing other Kurds of "not doing enough"...

Just because Saddam fell and South Kurdistan became liberated you don't need to BRAG! Do you think other Kurds don't want liberation???

And again you are wrong - in Turkey and Iran Kurds have on PAPER - the right to speak Kurdish they can practice their culture etc etc etc...