Civil War in Iraq = soon time to leave for Kurds?

[tomjez]

Civil war between arabs is beginning for good now...Americans are tired and don't want to get involved. If it get worse, it is possible that nobody will frown upon an unilateral declaration of independance by Kurds?

It seems more and more absurd to want to protect "integrity of the borders of Iraq", I can't see any reason why Kurds should be forced to stay in this country...

By the way, still waiting for massive demonstrations in muslim country for the bomb attack against Samarra Mosque...or it is not an insult against Islam? Pff it's hard to understand...

[Piling]

The trouble is that Turkey would SURELY prevent any statement of independance in Kurdistan... except if US protect Kurdistan for any aggression but it is too soon for admit the separation between iraq and Kurdistan.

Then let's wait that things get worse and worse....

[zurderer]

You wish it?

By the way, Infact kurds have not chance to seperate their own country. Not when they are land locked and not when every state around them is against this independence.

[Piling]

Yes I wish it. Cynically.

If Turkey would think just a bit, it will conclude that a stable Kurdish state is better as a direct neighbours than an Iraqi state ruled by Shiites and Sunnis just occupied to fight each others, and becoming an inn for all the Islamist terrorists from the world.

By the way Turkish buisenessmen have no intention to locked the border, they have a lot of investments in Southern Kurdistan.

[zurderer]

Yes I wish it. Cynically.

If Turkey would think just a bit, it will conclude that a stable Kurdish state is better as a direct neighbours than an Iraqi state ruled by Shiites and Sunnis just occupied to fight each others, and becoming an inn for all the Islamist terrorists from the world.

By the way Turkish buisenessmen have no intention to locked the border, they have a lot of investments in Southern Kurdistan.

I noted your fine wishs for iraqian sunnies and shiites. By the way, I dont understand why turkey should prefer a stable iraq? trade?

And be sure, even turkish bussinessmen have no intention to locked borders, they will listen turkey goverment. Do they have other chance?

Isnt this absurd? same turks invest souther kurdistan, but dont invest northern one.

[Piling]

I guess that Turks (who are not stupids) could see the advantage to have a buffer-state (Kurdistan) between a nest of al Quaeda and Heizbollah, etc.

Turkish Government have 2 options : Listen ot military or traders

The key of the problem is US. If they support a Kurdish state, Turkey will make nothing. Turkey is a puppet in the hand of FMI (International Fund Monetary). Between UE and US this country has no real choice.

[zurderer]

I guess that Turks (who are not stupids) could see the advantage to have a buffer-state (Kurdistan) between a nest of al Quaeda and Heizbollah, etc.

Turkish Government have 2 options : Listen ot military or traders

The key of the problem is US. If they support a Kurdish state, Turkey will make nothing. Turkey is a puppet in the hand of FMI (International Fund Monetary). Between UE and US this country has no real choice.

al Quaeda and Heizbollah, are they our problem? can they have anychance to harm our national interests? should we fear ghosts also? I think not.

Turkish goverment will listen military. Trade can be redirected, but It is more difficult to national interests. I still cannot see why kurdish independence are beneficial for us. Even now, that guys are trying to effect our national politics.

Er Infact, our dependence to IMF was decreased much. You should update your knowledge. By the way, what about hamas ? It looks like Turkish goverment dont think like you.

Infact USA have no power to create kurdish state, at least not without great sacrifice. I dont see any reason for this sacrifice do you?

[Piling]

Wait and see. But I predict a "Triple Alliance" in the Middle East between Turkey, Israël and Kurdistan. And US military basis in Kurdistan also, facing Iran.

[zurderer]

Yeah, yeah.

Sorry but Iran is more beneficial for us. Infact USA wish with this triple alliance is harming our relationships.

Will you add hamas too?

Infact we should wait for USA to attack iran, and than backstab her.

[Piling]

yeah bla bla bla, just wait and see...

Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps not... In fact what do you want yourself ? Your position is not very clear. Sometimes you wish an independant Kurdistan at the East of Turkey (a crime for Turskih law) while you can't imagine an independant Southern-Kurdistan (the more logical). You are a colonialist, like an England or a French watching Indians and Arabs in 1950s and saying : "They could not rule themselves without us".

Or you know that it would be better for Turkey to admit a free Kurdistan but the tablet is too difficult to swallow...

Colonialist reflex, but historically, if we foresee 20, 40, 50 years later, oribably a Kurdish state will emerge. Not now, not in the next 5 years (but 10 I'm not sure). But seriously, either Turkey becomes a democracy and then let Kurds choose their destiny, or becomes a dictatorship and crashes financially.

[zurderer]

Haha you should realy stop to accuse us with colonialism, We are not living at Europea. It is your guilt not us.

"They could not rule themselves without us".

That is complately bullshit, Infact I think Kurds can even rule us.I dont care If they rule us better. I have no problem with Ozal, I have no problem with Said Nursi too. I respect them much more than a lot turkish politician or religious man. So this "they cannot rule themself without us" thing is nonsense.

Or you know that it would be better for Turkey to admit a free Kurdistan but the tablet is too difficult to swallow...

Er what is benefit? Still same question. Sorry I dont afraid from ghosts.

Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps not... In fact what do you want yourself ? Your position is not very clear.

I dont like divided countries much. If It is only alternative, yeah we should do it.

But we should remember every division at middle east make westerner powerful.

Colonialist reflex, but historically, if we foresee 20, 40, 50 years later, oribably a Kurdish state will emerge.

Maybe, or maybe not. Independence wish at northern iraq is decreasing, not increasing.

But seriously, either Turkey becomes a democracy and then let Kurds choose their destiny, or becomes a dictatorship and crashes financially.

I dont know what is correlation between dictatorship and financial crisis. No, I dont think I will afraid from this ghost too.

[tomjez]

I dont know what is correlation between dictatorship and financial crisis

[dyaoko]

I think southern kurds should do what they are doing now , watching Iraq and not interfrerring in sunni shia conflict.
it is their problem not our, we continue what we are doing , and I think it is NOT good for kurds to threat "being indepdendnce"
currectly shia and sunni have problem with each other and they are not united,
if kurds threaten indepednece, they give arabs A REASON TO BE UNITED.
and shia and sunni will be united against kurds , and its politically bad for kurds.

[zurderer]

I dont know what is correlation between dictatorship and financial crisis

is there any?