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PostAuthor: Rubar » Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:42 pm

Piling wrote:Oh some other Kurds did it. In 94 in Zaxo I met a peshmerga comamndant who has made war with Fatah in Lebanon. It was the time when the "International Socialist Revolution goes through Palestine, Che Guevara and Vietnam"...

Fortunately, though they called themselves "socialist" KDP was always septical about "International Socialism Brotherhood bla bla bla". Feudal ppl, tss :evil:



I don't think it simple because of the socialist wave. It had more to do with the fact that there was bi-polar world system. Turkey was being supported by the USA as a member of NATO. Any organization that challenged Turkish fascism could only have allied itself with USSR. This was the rule. Keep in mind that America was supporting Turkish military. And getting help from USSR meant traning in Lebanon. There is an interesting article regarding this matter by Recep Marasli. He points out how Arap nationalists (palestinians) employed this to their advantage and equated palestinian cause with anti-imperialism. It helps explain why the left is so obsessed with palestine and so anti-jewish, even though they try to masquarade it as anti-zionism.

So I think Kurdish organizations in the north had no choice. It was the end result of strategic powers limiting the choices made by regional forces. however after the collapse of the Soviet block things changed and they could have distanced themselves from Palestinians. There was an interesting discussion between Ismail Besikci and Mustafa Karasu regarding this in the early 90s. Ismail Besikci (even though he was a Turk) was advocating that Kurds should not fall for Arap chauvinism and form links with Israel etc. However, I guess Apo was way to confortable in Syria to allow for such a development.
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PostAuthor: piskrt » Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:17 pm

Don't worry. Kurds would be the ally of America and Israel as long as they have to. Americans and Israel chooses their allies not the otherwise. And, when their work is done, they spit on their ex-allies. So, if I were you, I would not count do much on American support. The day they no longer need you they would strike back. (Reference to Saddam and Al-Qaida)
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PostAuthor: Rubar » Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:26 pm

piskrt wrote:Don't worry. Kurds would be the ally of America nad Israel as long as they have to. Americans and Israel chooses their allies not the otherwise. And, when their work is done, they spit on their ex-allies. (Reference to Saddam and Al-Qaida)



It is great honour to be allies with America and Israel. At least we are dealing with two states which I can genuinely say that I respect their people. Israeli interest and Kurdish interest lie in the democratic transformation of Middle East. Only then can both Israel and Kurdistan be safe. When it comes to America, they have realized the mistake they have done in supporting fascist in the passed, now they are interested in true transformation. Well, I am not surprised that you have fundamental issues with such alliance.
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PostAuthor: piskrt » Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:28 pm

It is great honour to be allies with America and Israel. At least we are dealing with two states which I can genuinely say that I respect their people. Israeli interest and Kurdish interest lie in the democratic transformation of Middle East.


I am laughing with my ass! :lol:

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PostAuthor: Rubar » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:30 pm

I am laughing with my ass! :lol:[/quote]

thats very good....you are very talented. DO you want a medal? now go sit next to the fire...
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PostAuthor: abdur » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:46 pm

piskrt wrote:Don't worry. Kurds would be the ally of America and Israel as long as they have to. Americans and Israel chooses their allies not the otherwise. And, when their work is done, they spit on their ex-allies. So, if I were you, I would not count do much on American support. The day they no longer need you they would strike back. (Reference to Saddam and Al-Qaida)

I hear this a lot from turkish people :lol: awww poor people do you feel neglected by your (former) ally?


By the way, i dont think Sharon nor Bush are cool/great/fantastic, but i do understand the need for kurdish coöperation with the US and perhaps in the future Israel, because it's in our kurdish interest.
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PostAuthor: ChiChalok » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:31 am

what happened to sharon ? :-({|= :mrgreen:
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