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Iraq hosts arms expo 9 years after fall of Saddam

PostAuthor: Rando » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:18 pm

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Baghdad allocated $14.6 billion, or about 15 percent of the budget, to security in 2012, second only to energy which takes up 20 percent as the country seeks to develop its oil sector and fix a chronic electricity shortage

IRAQ is hosting its first arms fair, replete with warplanes, tanks, missiles and telecommunications gear, since the 2003 fall of Saddam Hussein which saw the US completely dismantle the country’s military. Iraq is still rebuilding its security forces, which today they number some 900,000 people, including 650,000 employed by the interior ministry.

Baghdad allocated $14.6 billion, or about 15 percent of the budget, to security in 2012, second only to energy which takes up 20 percent as the country seeks to develop its oil sector and fix a chronic electricity shortage.

“This is the first exhibition since the fall of Saddam Hussein, as we need specialised companies to come to Baghdad to show their products to our ministries, so we choose the best,” Deputy Interior Minister Adnan al-Assadi told.

A pavilion at the Baghdad fairgrounds is hosting 40 companies from 13 countries, mainly from South Korea, China, Turkey and Bulgaria, for three days from Sunday, amid tight security measures that are paralysing the city, causing massive traffic jams. Almost all Western countries, however, are absent from the expo.

South Korea and China are showcasing a full range of military equipment, from weapons of all calibres and military vehicles to communications, uniforms and riot gear. “We came to win contracts, but also to develop our relations with this country, where we had the third-largest contingent in the multinational forces after the United States and Great Britain,” said Lee Jong-Duk, director of international relations for the Korea Defence Industry Association.

Sang Choi, vice president of Korea Aerospace Industries, was hoping to sell Iraq 24 T-50 Golden Eagle aircraft which can be used in both training and combat. “We made a proposal last year and we hope that the contract will be signed very soon. I am very optimistic,” he said. For Iraq, rebuilding its air force is a priority, and it has ordered 36 F-16 warplanes from the United States in pursuit of that goal.

Its air force virtually disappeared following the Gulf War in 1991, when it was destroyed or rendered inoperable by the international military coalition that pushed Saddam’s forces out of Kuwait which he invaded the year before. “We need many things but our budget is limited. Our principal concern is the air force and anti-air defence, while the interior ministry’s is border protection and explosives detectors,” Iraq’s top military officer, Lieutenant General Babaker Zebari, told.

In a highly competitive market, the Iraqi Raban al-Safina group began selling products from foreign companies three years ago, especially jamming equipment, robots to disarm bombs, and detection equipment. “It is very important that we are here, because, dealing with terrorists, our country needs this type of equipment,” said Ali Jawhar, an engineer in Raban al-Safina’s electronics department.

Although Baghdad bought a large number of ADE 651 portable explosives detectors from a British company that turned out not to work, spending between $16,500 and $60,000 a unit, Raban al-Safina showed the HEDD1 detector sold by German firm Unival, which the BBC has reported is also ineffective. “It is part of a programme for detecting explosive material,” Hussein Ghanim, an engineer in the same department, said proudly.

The Iraqi army was considered one of the strongest in the Middle East before the 1980-1988 war with Iran, when it was almost exclusively equipped with weaponry from Soviet-bloc countries. But since the 2003 US-led invasion, Baghdad has turned toward American equipment, from M-16 rifles to Abrams tanks and F-16s. Bulgaria still sees opportunities for its military wares, however. “We had very good relations with Iraq before 2003 and now we want to renew them as this is an important market,” said Rumen Raykov, the director of APOLO Engineering, a Sofia-based company that sells ammunition. AFP
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PostAuthor: talsor » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:01 am

I really do not get the middle eastern obsession with useless weapons that is good for nothing except may being used to kill their own people . Saddam stock piled weapons and spent billions doing that for years , and where did that get him ?
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:43 am

talsor wrote:I really do not get the middle eastern obsession with useless weapons that is good for nothing except may being used to kill their own people . Saddam stock piled weapons and spent billions doing that for years , and where did that get him ?


if these iraqis think of using weapon against kurds ever again this time we will make sure no iraqi holds an AK47 ever in their lives , if we cant piss saddam off we too can piss maliki off .
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PostAuthor: talsor » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:16 am

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talsor wrote:I really do not get the middle eastern obsession with useless weapons that is good for nothing except may being used to kill their own people . Saddam stock piled weapons and spent billions doing that for years , and where did that get him ?


if these iraqis think of using weapon against kurds ever again this time we will make sure no iraqi holds an AK47 ever in their lives , if we cant piss saddam off we too can piss maliki off .


frankly I do not think they ever will , but they will use it against each other .
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:25 am

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talsor wrote:I really do not get the middle eastern obsession with useless weapons that is good for nothing except may being used to kill their own people . Saddam stock piled weapons and spent billions doing that for years , and where did that get him ?


if these iraqis think of using weapon against kurds ever again this time we will make sure no iraqi holds an AK47 ever in their lives , if we cant piss saddam off we too can piss maliki off .


frankly I do not think they ever will , but they will use it against each other .


you never know , in a meeting which was attended by maliki and few defense officials , they suggested to maliki to hit kurdistan , he said na not yet let those F16s arrive it will be then easier .

so as you can see staying with iraq is now impossible , Barzani better hurry and call for the referendum in the parliament ASAP.
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PostAuthor: burnsss » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:44 pm

You are right kak alan but we must also be sure that our country will be able to sustain and have a way to generate revenue. I would advice KRG to the build a new pipeline ASAP with some execuse like diversify export routes bla bla and so on and then declare independence. Becuase for each day Nouri-al Saddami will buy new weapons to use against the kurds. When we declare independence then we can buy our own advanced weapons.
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Re: Iraq hosts arms expo 9 years after fall of Saddam

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:56 pm

burnsss wrote:You are right kak alan but we must also be sure that our country will be able to sustain and have a way to generate revenue. I would advice KRG to the build a new pipeline ASAP with some execuse like diversify export routes bla bla and so on and then declare independence. Becuase for each day Nouri-al Saddami will buy new weapons to use against the kurds. When we declare independence then we can buy our own advanced weapons.


i agree with you 100% , the longer we wait for al Saddami to build his army the lesser chances of declaring independent .

but what i like to point out here is PUK leadership , some of them are pissing me off like Talabani , Fwad Masum and Ala Talabani . all 3 have said things against our president and they need to apologize , i am starting to think they are Iranian agents working for Iran's interest in Baghdad ... PUK should hold an immediate meeting and warn these 3 members . :shock:
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:17 pm

it seems Talabani's recent stroke has made him forget if he is kurdistani or irani :lol:

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PostAuthor: burnsss » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:23 pm

My friend you must bear in mind that mam jalal is the president of Iraq and he must be diplomatic when he issue statments. If he was not the president he would be more flexible when he issue statments. If the current goverment collapse or if mam Jalal passes away god forbid then independence is not far away, Jalal is the president of Iraq and Barzani is the president of KRG so we should listen to what Barzani says.
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:35 pm

burnsss wrote:My friend you must bear in mind that mam jalal is the president of Iraq and he must be diplomatic when he issue statments. If he was not the president he would be more flexible when he issue statments. If the current goverment collapse or if mam Jalal passes away god forbid then independence is not far away, Jalal is the president of Iraq and Barzani is the president of KRG so we should listen to what Barzani says.


yes i agree dear , but saying "kurds want to be with iraq" is speaking for himself not kurds , i am a PUK follower but he HAS to go he is done and dusted , time to retire .
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PostAuthor: burnsss » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:41 pm

alan131210 wrote:
burnsss wrote:My friend you must bear in mind that mam jalal is the president of Iraq and he must be diplomatic when he issue statments. If he was not the president he would be more flexible when he issue statments. If the current goverment collapse or if mam Jalal passes away god forbid then independence is not far away, Jalal is the president of Iraq and Barzani is the president of KRG so we should listen to what Barzani says.


yes i agree dear , but saying "kurds want to be with iraq" is speaking for himself not kurds , i am a PUK follower but he HAS to go he is done and dusted , time to retire .

Atleast its better to have Jalal as president then some anti-kurd arab, as for PUK if they dont get their act together then Gorran will replace is as an nationalist party. Nashirwan is very patriotic he said if we declare independence we should have unified peshermga and instutition and so on its much better then some islamist party who wants to turn kurdistan to kalifat.
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:54 pm

burnsss wrote:
alan131210 wrote:
burnsss wrote:My friend you must bear in mind that mam jalal is the president of Iraq and he must be diplomatic when he issue statments. If he was not the president he would be more flexible when he issue statments. If the current goverment collapse or if mam Jalal passes away god forbid then independence is not far away, Jalal is the president of Iraq and Barzani is the president of KRG so we should listen to what Barzani says.


yes i agree dear , but saying "kurds want to be with iraq" is speaking for himself not kurds , i am a PUK follower but he HAS to go he is done and dusted , time to retire .

Atleast its better to have Jalal as president then some anti-kurd arab, as for PUK if they dont get their act together then Gorran will replace is as an nationalist party. Nashirwan is very patriotic he said if we declare independence we should have unified peshermga and instutition and so on its much better then some islamist party who wants to turn kurdistan to kalifat.


yeah and some other PUK officials like vice president Kosrat Rasool , ex PM Barha Salih and deputy PM Imad Ahmed are all patriotic and have all recently supported Barzani on self-determination and referendum , but Talabani is really hurting kurdish people with his silly talks . Gorran is patriotic too but they declined independent till sliced off parts are annexed .
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