Peace in the country, Peace in the world... M.Kemal Ataturk

[zurderer]

Well, dont you know history of kurdistan? (older armenia?)

As I said before, people under that flag stoped an armenian country over kurdistan land

If there were not kemal, half of the kurdistan is now armenia.

[Piling]

in 1920s ? Right, Kurds were afraid of Armenians' revenge after the genocide. If Kurds were remained in Armenia thing would have been better or worse ? I don't know. Living under Stalin's rule would not be a nice thing. As we say in French it is a choice between plague and cholera.

[zurderer]

I dont think kurds had chance to live under armenians. still that lands are kurdish by majority. what would happen If It was armenia?

Dont believe every ultra kurdish stories, Infact their population and lands were increased under turkey.

For exp, sirt was an arab city, now a kurdish one.

[Piling]

LOl strange then that in Siirt people speak Kurdish. And they elected a HADEP mayor, during many years (I don't remember if DEHAP has kept the mayorship now).

[zurderer]

1 HADEP 22,12 18.319
2 DYP 22,09 18.291 1 listesi »
3 FP 13,36 11.066 1 listesi »
4 ANAP 12,57 10.405 1 listesi »
5 BAĞ. 9,69 8.023
6 CHP 6,51 5.391
7 DSP 5,09 4.217
8 MHP 5,01 4.145
9 BBP 1,18 973

1999 election, party is hadep. It only got 22,12.


At 2002, Dehap get 32%, this is largest vote get by ethnic parties.

Also maybe you have no knowledge, wife of erdogan was from sirt. She is an arab and when Erdogan went sirt, people met him with arabic shouts.

[Piling]

there are Arabs in Kurdish cities, like Hasankeyf too, but are they in majority ?

By the way Arabs from Hasankeyf should speak Kurdish fluently or understand it very well, they marry with Kurds too. Then some families are half Kurdish half Arabs, nice.

In 2002, DEHAP was still ruled by former HADEP people, but they should have made a better result and won seats in Parliament. Just these assholes in the PKK made a hard campaign to glorify "Kurdish-Turkish union" and people began to be disgusted. After that, they lose votes more and more.

HADEP results are better for when they were active it was very difficult to make campaign in Kurdistan, without being emprisonned or killed.

[zurderer]

there are Arabs in Kurdish cities, like Hasankeyf too, but are they in majority ?

By the way Arabs from Hasankeyf should speak Kurdish fluently or understand it very well, they marry with Kurds too. Then some families are half Kurdish half Arabs, nice.

In 2002, DEHAP was still ruled by former HADEP people, but they should have made a better result and won seats in Parliament. Just these assholes in the PKK made a hard campaign to glorify "Kurdish-Turkish union" and people began to be disgusted. After that, they lose votes more and more.

HADEP results are better for when they were active it was very difficult to make campaign in Kurdistan, without being emprisonned or killed.

At 2002 Dehap did realy fine, increased his votes almos 30%. I dont know what they should do more. Sorry but kurds dont interest ethnic division much.
This turkish-kurdish aliance is bullshit. So kurds didnt vote dehap but akp? Akp is a turkish-kurdish-islamic party.

[zurderer]

Even ibrahim tatlıses father is arab(neither turk nor kurd), do you know this?

[Piling]

Lol Ibrahim Tatlises does not like to tell so loudly that he is Kurd, you know. Then he could be Arab if he wishes.

Much Turks have Kurdish blood and are Turks all the same. Not a trouble. KUrds just want to have the right to be Kurd if they like.

[zurderer]

Ibrahım tatlıses said (much before than his talking about ıraq) my father is an arab, my mother kurd. I am turk. My mother langauge kurdish.

a little complicated? by the way, we cannot know who has whom blood.

Some say alevis kurds are asimilated turks.

And most probably kurds have a lot armenian blood. Not because it is important.

[Piling]

Of course they have Armenian blood ! Not a mystery. Armenians and Kurds lived like closed neighbourd during milleniums, it does not trouble Kurds ! (Armenians, perhaps ?)

[zurderer]

err dont missunderstood me but son of an armenian is a hate word. It is changing but well need much time.

[Piling]

son of an armenian is a hate word

For Turks ? lol not comfortable to be Armenian in Turkey (but more than to be Armenian in Armenia, as Tom says...)

[islamic~pride]

Ibrahım tatlıses said (much before than his talking about ıraq) my father is an arab, my mother kurd. I am turk. My mother langauge kurdish.

a little complicated? by the way, we cannot know who has whom blood.

Some say alevis kurds are asimilated turks.

And most probably kurds have a lot armenian blood. Not because it is important.

Ibrahim tatlis is half Kurdish half Arab, his mother is Kurdish and and father is Arab, his mother tongue is Kurdish, but he has been brought up in Turkey, which is the only reason why he calls himself a Turk, its like non-english people in the UK calling themselves British he has no turki blood in him.

some also say that turkish alevi's are really kurds

Armenians have kurdish blood, Kurds have some arab blood, turks have armenian blood, arabs have iranian blood, iranians have kurdish blood, armenians have turkish blood..its all mixed, we are all from the middle-eastern region, in the past many people mixed, thats why nationalism is a waste of time, we are all human beings, yes be patriotic to your country but dont think that your better cos u r a particular race!!

[zurderer]

son of an armenian is a hate word

For Turks ? lol not comfortable to be Armenian in Turkey (but more than to be Armenian in Armenia, as Tom says...)

for people who live east of turkey

I dont think, you will find much armenian at istanbul who discriminated.