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Sadistic Sultans of Turkey - Shows Turks are INSANE

PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:37 pm

Sadistic Sultans of Turkey

The Ottoman Sultan Mustafa (1592-1639)

The Ottoman Sultan Mustafa (1592-1639) may have been retarded from birth, but the years he spent in the "Cage", a large building without windows, worsened his mental condition. While giggling like an imbecile, he was declared Sultan twice. He ran through the palace corridors, crying out to his murdered nephew to relieve him from the burden of sovereignty.

When Sultan Ahmed I (1590-1617) came to the throne in 1603, he left his 11-year-old brother Mustafa in the "Cage", and he had a wall built to block the entrance. Mustafa was possibly already mentally retarded before he was incarcerated and the psychosocial depravation he experienced in the "Cage" can only have worsened his mental condition. He is described as a "paranoid", because he was overwhelmed by fear that he would be deposed or murdered - in itself no strange behaviour considering his circumstances.

Sultan Ahmed I used to take a different woman to his bed each night, although he subsequently favoured two women: Hadice and Kösem (1589-1651). Hadice was the mother of Osman II (1604-1622) and Kösem gave birth to Murad IV (1612-1640), Bayezid and Mad Ibrahim (1615-1648). When Ahmed died of typhus in November 1617, at the age of 28, his most powerful concubine, Kösem, opposed the succession of his eldest son, Osman, because she was afraid that Osman would execute her sons. It was due to her influence that the completely insane Mustafa was released from the "Cage" and declared Sultan.

It was said that he had visions and some saw in him a holy man. However, it soon became clear that Mustafa was incapable of governing. He appointed two favourite young pages as governors of Cairo and Damascus and replaced one of his high officers by a farmer who had offered him something to drink when he was out hunting. After only three months, Mustafa was dethroned by the eunuch corps and again imprisoned in the "Cage" accompanied by two female slaves *.

[Young Osman II of Turkey] Mustafa I was succeeded by Ahmed I's eldest son, 13-year-old Osman II (to the right). Young Osman was very fond of archery - especially with living targets, like prisoners-of-war or his own pages. Before setting out on a military campaign in Poland, Osman ordered the execution of his brother Mehmed in January 1621. Despite his youth, Osman soon managed to increase his power, replacing Vezirs and banishing Mustafa's supporters.

He forbade the consumption of wine and tobacco and had drunken soldiers sent to the galleys as slaves. Also, he attempted to reform the Janissaries, the Sultan's special elite corps. He tried to curb their power, because in his opinion they had performed badly in the Polish campaign. In 1622 Osman announced his intention to leave the city for a pilgrimage to Mecca. The Janissaries suspected he had another destination in mind, because he seemed to prepare for taking his jewels and treasures with him. Enraged they stormed the palace and captured Osman.

They made him ride on a cripple horse amidst the insults of the crowds before he was locked up in the prison of the Seven Towers. When they tried to kill him, Osman fought with the strength of a madman and killed six of his attackers before he was overpowered. Young Osman was put to death by a combination of strangulation and compression of his testicles. His ear was cut off and presented to his mother, Hadice, as an affront. Although fratricide was common in the Ottoman Empire, this was the first act of regicide.

This time Mustafa refused to leave the "Cage" or even to open its door. So the Janissaries made a hole in the "Cage"'s roof. They saw Mustafa sitting with the two women and they claimed that he was "giggling like an imbecile". He was severely weakened, because no one had cared to serve him any food or drink for tree days. After bringing him water, they had the frightened Sultan hoisted up with curtain cords through the hole in the roof.

Mustafa was placed back on the Ottoman throne, although he was still unable to rule effectively. He executed all those who had overthrown his nephew. But later mad Mustafa had forgotten that Osman was dead and ran in search of him through the palace, knocking on doors and crying out to his nephew to relieve him from the burden of sovereignty. Grand Vezirs followed one another in rapid succession and a donkey driver was appointed as muezzin for the Aya Sofya mosque.

Throughout the realm governors refused to obey orders issued in the Sultan's name or send taxes to Istanbul. Soon the Janissaries, who could not be paid, began rebelling. In August 1623, the eunuch corps intervened, when Mustafa ordered the execution of his late brother Ahmed's other sons. The Grand Mufti stated that nobody who was mentally unbalanced could ever execute the duties of Sultan. Mustafa renounced his throne in favour of his nephew, Murad IV. This time Mustafa remained in the "Cage" until he died at the age of 47.

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PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:40 pm

Murad IV of Turkey (1612-1640)

Murad IV of Turkey (1612-1640) was both strong-willed and physically strong. His dominant mother had tried to make him abhor women, and all his life they induced both lust and hate in Murad. His cruelty became legendary, and, in his later years, he killed people, especially females, just because off ill humour or a whim.

Murad, born on July 27, 1612, was 5 years old, when his father, Sultan Ahmed I (1590-1617), died. Six years later, he ascended the throne after the second dethronement of his insane uncle, Mad Mustafa I (1591-1639). Over the next years his mother, Sultana Kösem, ruled with ability from the harem, but much power was also held by the civil aristocracy and the military, who where mainly interested in their own advancement. In 1623, the Persians invaded Iraq.

Revolts broke out in Anatolia, and in November 1631 the Janissaries, the Sultan's standing infantry corps, rioted and broke into the Palace, killing the Grand Vezir, the Grand Mufti, Murad's favourite page and 13 other high officials. Fearing the fate of his half-brother Osman II, Young Murad was forced to appoint a Grand Vezir of their choice, but within half a year he took command of the government, and had the unwanted Grand Vezir executed.

He took revenge on the military that had humiliated him by ordering the strangulation of more than 500 of their leaders. He had spies scouring Istanbul, tracking down the leaders of the revolt and other traitors, executing them on the spot. In Anatolia Murad had 20.000 men executed. In 1635 Murad intended to execute the Armanian immigrants of Constantinople too, but his Grand Vezir managed to talk this idea out of his mind.

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PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:42 pm

Ottoman Sultan Ibrahim I "The Mad" (±1616-1648)

From his early youth, the Ottoman Sultan Ibrahim I "The Mad" (±1616-1648) had been locked up in the "Cage", a large building without windows. When he was finally proclaimed Sultan, he sought compensation for his lost years, indulging in debauchery with an endless supply of fresh virgins. One day, however, he had his entire harem of 280 women thrown into the Bosporus, tied up in weighted sacks. He became known as "The Crazy One".

Ibrahim was born on November 5 or 6 in 1615 or 1616, as a younger son of Sultan Ahmed I (1590-1617). As an infant he had been locked up in the "Cage", and ever since he had been living in fear of death. The Sultans Osman II (1604-1622) and Murad IV (1612-1640) had executed all their brothers - except Ibrahim. In 1640, Murad actually ordered Ibrahim's death on his deathbed, because he thought it better for the dynasty to end rather than continue with 'insane seed'. But their mother, Sultana Kösem, intervened.

Nevertheless, when a crowd tried to enter the "Cage" to proclaim him Sultan, Ibrahim was so terrified that he barred the door. He was convinced that his cruel brother was playing a trick to torment him and refused to come out until his brother's corpse had been brought before him. Even then his mother had to "coax him out as if cajoling a frightened kitten with food". When he had finally left the "Cage", Ibrahim began dancing through the harem, while screaming: "The butcher of the Empire is dead!".

Seeking compensation for his lost years, 23-year-old Ibrahim indulged in an urge for debauchery. Sultana Kösem was happy to reign in her son's place, so she took care of an endless supply of virgins and fat women for his pleasure. Ibrahim was frequently impotent so his mother supplied him with aphrodisiacs, too. Ibrahim preferred women he could not have and found it difficult to make love to slave-girls, who were not in a position to refuse him anything.

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Re: Sadistic Sultans of Turkey - Shows Turks are INSANE

PostAuthor: Londoner » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:45 pm

I think the maddest of all of them was the one known as 'Suleiman, the magnificent'. He had two sons. He favoured one of them on the other, who was the elder son. In order his younger son, his favourite, to take the throne after him, he executed his older son.
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Re: Sadistic Sultans of Turkey - Shows Turks are INSANE

PostAuthor: Anthea » Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:31 pm

Londoner wrote:I think the maddest of all of them was the one known as 'Suleiman, the magnificent'. He had two sons. He favoured one of them on the other, who was the elder son. In order his younger son, his favourite, to take the throne after him, he executed his older son.


Sadly it was quite common - especially in the Arabic world - for Kings to execute sons so that they did not grow up to overthrow their fater

A king would often do as Suliman did and select the son he believed to be most supportive and less lightly to turn against him

It was not madness just their way of assuring political control

The king had to kill all but his successor before someone else killed the son he himself had chosen :-s
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PostAuthor: Londoner » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:35 pm

Anthea wrote:
Londoner wrote:I think the maddest of all of them was the one known as 'Suleiman, the magnificent'. He had two sons. He favoured one of them on the other, who was the elder son. In order his younger son, his favourite, to take the throne after him, he executed his older son.


Sadly it was quite common - especially in the Arabic world - for Kings to execute sons so that they did not grow up to overthrow their fater

A king would often do as Suliman did and select the son he believed to be most supportive and less lightly to turn against him

It was not madness just their way of assuring political control

The king had to kill all but his successor before someone else killed the son he himself had chosen :-s


I have not read any where about kings killing all their sons, except one to inherit the kingdom, except in Ottoman empire. I have not read if Arabs or Persians or others have done so. I think this culture may originate from fat east like Ancient Mongolia, where originally ottoman, Turkish, tribes came from.
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PostAuthor: Piling » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:10 am

It is an old Mongol and Turkish rule : when a leader died, the succession was not necessarily for his elder son, and all the males of his family could compete. Then they killed each others and the last one was considered as the chosen one by gods, because he survived and killed all his rivals.

At the beginning, Ottomans applied this rule, and when a prince was proclaimed sultan he hurriedly strangled or poisoned all his brothers. But after some centuries, Ottomans became more civilized and gentle, and began to apply the old Byzantine trick : castration or blinding rivals, for only a real man can rule and not a cripple or a eunuch.

Besides, a sultan could fear that his numerous sons could take the power before his own death. Then until that time, they were bred among eunuchs and women, imprisonned in their own palace, and just occupied to entertain with slaves, without learning how to rule. So the last sultans were often psychologically disabled, unstable, or just unable to govern.

In Western Europe, the habit of giving the throne to the elder son was a factor of stability, except when a king died without heir : then long fights happened, and European history is rich in 'dynastic wars'
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Re: Sadistic Sultans of Turkey - Shows Turks are INSANE

PostAuthor: Anthea » Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:44 pm

An heir and a spare :))
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PostAuthor: Londoner » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:11 am

Piling wrote:It is an old Mongol and Turkish rule : when a leader died, the succession was not necessarily for his elder son, and all the males of his family could compete. Then they killed each others and the last one was considered as the chosen one by gods, because he survived an'


That is fascinating. So they didn't have the culture of the older brother. The brothers had to fight to death to get the inheritance of their dad. This ritual must have been existed also within big families like wealthy families, local rulers. Such culture or ritual creates a sense of insecurity and hostility, which fails you to think logically and rationally. This explains why Turkish Nation has fallen to catch up with the modern world although once they were the master of the half world.
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Re: Sadistic Sultans of Turkey - Shows Turks are INSANE

PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:39 pm

I have to add that murdering a caliph or a sultan to support a younger brother was common in Harem's life in all Medieval Middle-East. One dynasty did not apply that rule or murdering to conquest the throne : the Kurdish Ayyubids. It has always struck me that, after Saladin's death, his brother Malik Al Adil, and all his sons and all Saladin's sons, and all other nephews fought each others as Kurds do all the time : fight, truce, fight, peace, and alliance of 2 against 1, then the 1 lost and then the alliances change etc.


BUT no Ayyubid prince killed one of his relatives. They fought, they imprisonned each others, the loser stayed captive or had to withdraw in his own capital, or in a shitty lost place in the East, but was not executed.

As if among that Kurdish clan, there was a taboo of sheding brother's blood. I have not studied all the histories of Kurdish dynasties (by reading Sheref Khan I know that Lurs enjoyed to murder their rivals), but it seems that murderous plot among families was not common among Kurds. They rather to keep the rebel in prison, then negociate, then release him.

So it is reminding what 8 centuries later Mollâ Mehmûd Beyazidî wrote about Kurds that during a fight, if a man fall from his horse, Kurds use to take him as a prisonnier, but it is not allow to kill him :

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Adetên Ekradan in di şerî da wekû mîrovek ji hepê xwe ket û êsîr bû êdî êdî mimkun nîne, ewî nakujîn


He says further that Kurdish tribes are not bloodthirsty. They don't like to shed blood. In battle as in a robbery, they seized men, stripped them, and released them (naked or he kept his pants I don't know :lol: ) :
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