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If Assad goes Syria WILL become an Islamic State Caliphate

PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed May 06, 2015 1:22 pm

EXTREMELY SERIOUS QUESTION

I thought that it was time someone actually asked the all important question

Who should rule Syria Jaish al-Islam or Islamic State ???

Far too many people are swayed by propaganda and seem totally unable to use their brains X(

Facts:

There were many peaceful protests against Assad

Armed insurgents (often from outside the region) moved into areas where peaceful protests occurred

Some of the well know peaceful leaders vanished - possibly killed by the armed insurrectionists

The peaceful protests became taken over by the armed insurgents making the once peaceful areas targets for the Syrian regime

Countries such as America saw a way to gain control of Syrian oil and started a proxy war by arming - training - supporting some of the armed insurgents

There are now a great many independent Jihadist groups in Syria and their numbers are constantly growing

If the Assad regime were to fall there will be a mad rush by all the different groups to gain control

Many more thousands of Syrians will die

At the end of the slaughter Syria will be controlled by either Jaish al-Islam or the Islamic State

Forget all the other groups fighting in Syria because only those two groups have the organisational ability to run Syria

Time people woke up to the truth
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Re: Who should rule Syria Jaish al-Islam or Islamic State ??

PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed May 06, 2015 7:52 pm

Jaish al-Islam was part of the Islamic Front but I believe it has outgrown them and is much more likely to become the main opposition to the Islamic State

Perhaps there are some people out there who genuinely believe that all the many warring factions currently fighting in Syria - will actually lay down their weapons and work together in peace and harmony to rebuild Syria

Poor disillusioned fools =))

Other countries who have invading rebels within their borders remove them

Many of the jihadists fighting in Syria have no connection with Syria

Why is the Syrian regime condemned for trying to rid their country of these murders

If there was a similar group of armed rebels in America they would have been very swiftly annihilated

The jihadists are hiding within the the towns and cities of Syria effectively holding the innocent population hostage

The peshmerga are doing their best to destroy the jihadist groups in Iraq

Why are other countries not supporting the Syrian regime in their fight against jihadist groups in Syria

If the Syrian Regime falls the Syria Jaish al-Islam and Islamic State - along with all the other countless bloodthirsty radical Islamic factions - will destroy what remains of Syria and probably millions of lives will be lost as all the many factions fight to gain control X(
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Re: Who should rule Syria Jaish al-Islam or Islamic State ??

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sat May 09, 2015 10:37 am

ARA News

U.S. starts training Syrian rebels in Jordan

On Thursday, officials said the United States launched its military training for Syrian opposition fighters to combat militants of the Islamic State (IS/ISIL), officials said.

The program was launched in Jordan, according to U.S. officials, who told reporters that the same program will be soon extended to include other trainings in Turkey.

An official spokesman for the Jordanian government confirmed that the training has begone since few days.

The U.S.-led program is expected to provide military training and arms to a total of 15,000 Syrian moderate rebels.

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There are NO moderate rebels in Syria

More and more of the once so-called moderate rebel groups are becoming affiliated to either the Islamic Front - it's offshoot Jaish al-Islam - or the ever expanding Islamic State

Which off the SMALL so-called moderate rebel groups stands a chance against the aforementioned groups NONE

Arming and training yet more rebels will lead to even more bloodshed and the deaths of more innocent Syrians X(
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Re: Who should rule Syria Jaish al-Islam or Islamic State ??

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun May 10, 2015 9:32 pm

Perhaps Al-Qaeda's Syrian affiliate Al-Nusra Front should take control?

Personally I think that all this madness has to stop

Other countries should stop supporting the rebels

Most of the rebel groups are now totally out of control

Many groups such as the Islamic State and Al-Qaeda have spread across international boundaries and are still expanding

There should be a combined INTERNATIONAL campaign to prevent further expansion of ALL the rebel groups
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Re: Who should rule Syria Jaish al-Islam - ISIS - Al-Nusra F

PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed May 13, 2015 6:01 pm

Associated Press

Casting aside U.S. concerns about aiding extremist groups, Turkey and Saudi Arabia have converged on an aggressive new strategy to bring down Syrian President Bashar Assad.

The two countries — one a democracy, the other a conservative kingdom — have for years been at odds over how to deal with Assad, their common enemy. But mutual frustration with what they consider American indecision has brought the two together in a strategic alliance that is driving recent rebel gains in northern Syria, and has helped strengthen a new coalition of anti-Assad insurgents, Turkish officials say.

That is provoking concern in the United States, which does not want rebel groups, including the al-Qaida linked Nusra Front, uniting to topple Assad. The Obama administration worries that the revived rebel alliance could potentially put a more dangerous radical Islamist regime in Assad's place, just as the U.S. is focused on bringing down the Islamic State group. A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issues, said the administration is concerned that the new alliance is helping Nusra gain territory in Syria.

The coordination between Turkey and Saudi Arabia reflects renewed urgency and impatience with the Obama administration's policy in the region. Saudi Arabia previously kept its distance and funding from some anti-Assad Islamist groups at Washington's urging, according to Turkish officials. Saudi Arabia and Turkey also differed about the role of the international Islamist group, the Muslim Brotherhood, in the Syrian opposition. Turkey supports the group, while the Saudi monarchy considers it a threat to its rule at home; that has translated into differences on the ground — until recently.

"The key is that the Saudis are no longer working against the opposition," a Turkish official said. He and other officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief the media.

Turkish officials say the Obama administration has disengaged from Syria as it focuses on rapprochement with Iran. While the U.S. administration is focused on degrading the Islamic State group in Syria and Iraq, they say it has no coherent strategy for ending the rule of Assad, Iran's key ally in the region.

The new Turkish and Saudi push suggests that they view Assad as a bigger threat to the region than groups like Nusra. Turkish officials discount the possibility that Nusra will ever be in a position to hold sway over much of Syria.

Under Turkish and Saudi patronage, the rebel advance has undermined a sense that the Assad government is winning the civil war — and demonstrated how the new alliance can yield immediate results. The pact was sealed in early March when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan flew to Riyadh to meet Saudi's recently crowned King Salman. Relations had been tense between Erdogan and the late King Abdullah, in great part over Erdogan's support of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Saudi shift appears to be part of broader proxy war against Iran that includes Saudi-led airstrikes in Yemen against Iran-backed Houthi rebels. The new partnership adds Saudi money to Turkey's logistical support.

"It's a different world now in Syria, because the Saudi pocketbook has opened and the Americans can't tell them not to do it," said Joshua Landis, the director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma. "It's quite clear that Salman has prioritized efforts against Iran over those against the Muslim Brotherhood."

The Turkish-Saudi agreement has led to a new joint command center in the northeastern Syrian province of Idlib. There, a coalition of groups — including Nusra and other Islamist brigades such as Ahrar al-Sham that Washington views as extremist — are progressively eroding Assad's front. The rebel coalition also includes more moderate elements of the Free Syrian Army that have received U.S. support in the past.

At the end of March, the alliance — calling itself "Conquest Army" — took the city of Idlib, followed by the strategic town of Jisr al-Shughour and then a government military base.

"They have really learned to fight together," the Turkish official said.

Turkish officials say that Turkey provides logistical and intelligence support to some members of the coalition, but has no interaction with Nusra — which it considers a terrorist group. But the difference with IS, the officials say, is that Turkey does not view Nusra as a security threat and therefore does not impede it.

The Turkish official who touted the Conquest Army's ability to fight cohesively said, however, that Turkey and Saudi Arabia have moved to bolster Ahrar al-Sham at Nusra's expense. This strays from the U.S. line that al-Sham is an extremist group, but Turkish officials say they distinguish between international jihadist groups and others with more localized aims. They place al-Sham in the latter category.

Moreover, they hope to use al-Sham's rise to put pressure on Nusra to renounce its ties to al-Qaida and open itself to outside help.

Turkish officials say that the U.S. has no strategy for stabilizing Syria. One Turkish official said that the CIA has even lately halted its support for anti-Assad groups in northern Iraq. U.S. trainers are now in Turkey on a train-and-equip program aimed at adding fighters to counter the Islamic State group and bolster moderate forces in Syria, but Turkish officials are skeptical that it will amount to much.

Usama Abu Zeid, a legal adviser to the Free Syrian Army, confirmed that the new coordination between Turkey and Saudi Arabia — as well as Qatar — had facilitated the rebel advance, but said that it not yet led to a new flow of arms. He said rather that the fighters had seized large caches of arms from Syrian government facilities.

So far, Abu Zeid said, the new understanding between the militia groups and their international partners has led to quick success.

"We were able to cause a lot of damage and capture more territory from the regime," he said.

But Landis said that it is a dangerous game — especially for Turkey.

"The cautionary tale is that every power in the Middle East has tried to harness the power of Islamists to their own ends," he said, noting that Assad's government also backed Islamists in Iraq who later turned their guns on him. "It always seems to blow back."

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Re: Who should rule Syria Jaish al-Islam - ISIS - Al-Nusra F

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun May 17, 2015 7:44 am

Telegraph

Tide of Syria civil war turns against Assad as rebels make sweeping gains

Bashar al-Assad's regime, reduced to dependence on Iran, appears to be fracturing under the pressure of recent defeats

The posters of President Bashar al-Assad once hung proud in Syria’s capital. Supporters of the regime would confidently predict the defeat of the “terrorists” - the accepted term for the rebel opposition.

In the last few weeks, however, the the insurgents have turned the tide of the civil war by winning a string of battlefield victories against Mr Assad’s forces.

In the north, a newly unified rebel coalition called the “Army of Conquest” managed to capture Idlib, a provincial capital, and much of the surrounding territory.

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Re: If Assad goes Syria will become an Islamic State Calipha

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun May 17, 2015 8:03 am

I really think it is time everyone faced the terrible TRUTH

If Assad was pushed out the only group powerful enough to take control of Syria is the Islamic State

That would not happen overnight - though it would be a lot better for the Syrians if they did wake up under Islamic State rule

No it will take many months - possibly years - for the Islamic State to gain complete control

WHY

Because Americans and others are funding many of the rebel groups which will lead to even more infighting between all the different groups - many more HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of innocent Syrians will be killed

The world should wake up - as soon as Assad departs the Islamic State will see the very real possibility of their Islamic Caliphate coming to fruition and Islamic State supporters will flock into Syria from everywhere X(
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Re: If Assad goes Syria WILL become an Islamic State Calipha

PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:06 pm

Since the original posting of this thread things in Syria have become even worse and a great deal more confusing

While most of the attention has been on either the Syrian government or the Islamic State - Al-Nusra Front has been gaining a lot of support - especially since it stated that it intended to rid Syria of Assad and take control of the Syrian government itself - no mention has ever been made as to what the Islamic State thought of that idea

Now we have the terrible news that US forces are giving 'support fire' to defend American-trained fighters - including Al-Nusra

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If Assad goes Syria will most assuredly become an Islamic State ruled by one or other of the fanatical Jihadist groups - as previously stated - many thousand of innocent Syrians will be slaughtered as the Jihadist groups vie for control

America must STOP supporting the jihadist groups - must STOP playing war games - these are NOT games these are people's lives X(
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Re: If Assad goes Syria WILL become an Islamic State Calipha

PostAuthor: Londoner » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:37 pm

If Assad goes Syria will most assuredly become an Islamic State ruled by one or other of the fanatical Jihadist groups - as previously stated - many thousand of innocent Syrians will be slaughtered as the Jihadist groups vie for control


Russia will never let it because the only naval base it has in the region is in Syria. I think the same thing applies with Israelis.
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