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Posted: **Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:39 pm**

What do you think about the PKK-Israel-Armenia Alliance against Turkey ?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4119984,00.html

09.09.11

Israel to ‘punish’ Turkey

Jerusalem fights back: Foreign Minister Lieberman formulates series of tough moves in response to Turkish steps; Israel to cooperate with Armenian lobby in US, may offer military aid to Kurdish rebels

Jerusalem to punish Erdogan: Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has decided to adopt a series of harsh measures in response to Turkey’s latest anti-Israeli moves, Yedioth Ahronoth reported Friday.

Senior Foreign Ministry officials convened Thursday to prepare for a meeting to be held Saturday with Lieberman on the matter. Saturday’s session will be dedicated to discussing Israel’s response to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s recent threats and his decision to downgrade Ankara’s diplomatic ties with Jerusalem.

Following Thursday’s meeting, officials assessed that Turkey is not interested in an Israeli apology at this time and prefers to exploit the dispute with Jerusalem in order to promote Ankara’s status in the Muslim world. Lieberman therefore decided there was no point in seeking creative formulas for apologizing, instead choosing to focus Israel’s efforts on punishing Turkey.

The Foreign Ministry has now decided to proceed with the formulation of a diplomatic and security “toolbox” to be used against the Turks. The first move would be to issue a travel warning urging all Israeli military veterans to refrain from traveling to Turkey. The advisory will be especially harsh as it will also urge Israelis to refrain from boarding connections in Turkey.

Another planned Israeli move is the facilitation of cooperation with Turkey’s historic rivals, the Armenians. During Lieberman’s visit to the United States this month, the foreign minister is expected to meet with leaders of the Armenian lobby and propose anti-Turkish cooperation in Congress.

The implication of this move could be Israeli assistance in promoting international recognition of the Armenian holocaust, a measure that would gravely harm Turkey. Israel may also back Armenia in its dispute vis-à-vis Turkey over control of Mount Ararat.

‘Turkey better show respect’

Lieberman is also planning to set meetings with the heads of Kurdish rebel group PKK in Europe in order to “cooperate with them and boost them in every possible area.” In these meetings, the Kurds may ask Israel for military aid in the form of training and arms supplies, a move that would constitute a major anti-Turkish position should it materialize.

However, the violent clashes between Turkey and the Kurds only constitute one reason prompting accusations that Ankara is violating human rights. Hence, another means in Lieberman’s “toolbox” vis-à-vis Erdogan is a diplomatic campaign where Israeli missions worldwide will be instructed to join the fight and report illegal Turkish moves against minorities.

The tough response formulated by Lieberman stems, among other things, from the foreign minister’s desire to make it clear to Erdogan that his anti-Israeli moves are not a “one-way street.”

Officials in Jerusalem also noted that Turkey’s global status at this time is not promising as it is, adding that Ankara is embroiled in tensions vis-à-vis NATO and Greece, while Erdogan’s relations with Syria and Iran are also not favorable.

“We’ll exact a price from Erdogan that will prove to him that messing with Israel doesn’t pay off,” Lieberman said. “Turkey better treat us with respect and common decency.”

Posted: **Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:51 pm**

lekadkk wrote:What do you think about the PKK-Israel-Armenia Alliance against Turkey ?

I think that collaborating with a nation that accuses us of genocide, portrays us as inferior, savage nomads and lays filthy claims over our homeland is a humiliating dishonor.

I spit on Armenia's irredentist claim over Mt. Ararat, and the rest of our ancestral lands for that matter. They may have the eastern side of the mountain, and nothing more. The indigenous Kurds of Agirî and Wan will see to that.

And frankly, I think the Israeli-Armenian alliance will never work out either. Armenians are Russophiles and want nothing to do with the Western world. And even they did, a little bounty from uncle Putin will be sufficient to redeem them from their distraction.

Posted: **Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:10 pm**

Arrogance is one of humanity's weaknesses. Armenia and Greece are one of the only good friends we Kurds have left. I think a better alliance would be with Greece and Armenia, without Israel. Armenians are good people, I have met many. The Armenians who do make claim to our lands are idiots, but lets be fair here. Some Kurds also lay claim to Armenian lands. Like Mount Ararat. You can't say some northern Kurdish tribes in Turkey at the time didn't take part in genocide, this I beleive wasn't out of chice but force. The Turks have done well playing us both. Remember what Ataturk's advisor said before, "we must turkify our inhabitant".

Please tell me whats more important. A piece of land or our people? Nationalism isn't defending a sqaure kilometre of dirt, but your people.

Posted: **Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:17 pm**

jjmuneer wrote:Armenia and Greece are one of the only good friends we Kurds have left.

Providing us with materials does not make them 'friends'. That's like saying Turkey is an ally because they're funding the construction projects in southern Kurdish cities. We don't have any friends, and the one nation closest to being one is Georgia, for they have never engaged in anti-Kurdish campaigns, and in contrast to the rest of the region, they show some respect towards us.

Armenians are good people, I have met many.

In my entire life, I have never, ever come across an Armenian who does not view our nation as an inferior race of savage nomads, even if they did not consider that an insult. They've all been raised to feel superior to their neighbours. I can quote some disturbing posts from Hyeclub to confirm that. Some of them look like they're quoted straight from Stormfront.

The Armenians who do make claim to our lands are idiots,

You have unconsciously insulted an entire nation.

Some Kurds also lay claim to Armenian lands. Like Mount Ararat.

Are you even thinking straight? How can you be so blinded by their romantic nationalism? Just because a dog goes to great lenghts to mark his proclaimed territory with scents doesn't mean it's actually his. You should look at raw data, and the only conclusion you can make from that is that the western side of Ararat belongs to the Kurds. Our ancestors had been living there for thousands of years, and a Jewish source from 500AD reports that Ararat was situated in former Corduene.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:56 am**

Yes I know, but if you look at hte ancient Corduene map, its located just south of modern day Armenia. I really don't care if it belongs to anyone, first and for most it belongs to God.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:12 am**

jjmuneer wrote:Yes I know, but if you look at hte ancient Corduene map, its located just south of modern day Armenia.

I assume you are referring to the actual borders of the Corduene kingdom. The Jewish source I mentioned refers to the historical homeland of the Kurds.

I really don't care if it belongs to anyone, first and for most it belongs to God.

If you bring that subject up to an Armenian, you will send him into an amazing zeal of Apostolic insanity; he will think that he is making contact with God and he will subsequently drift in and out of lucidity :lol:

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:23 am**

Corduene were Medes and Alans. It would mean we'd have to claim most of Iran. Anways I'd be happy with half of the land we claim, if it secures a place for Kurdistan in future world politics.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think total war with Turkey would be a more realistic option, then so called semi-autuonmy in Turkish Kuridstan. You know as well as I do, Turkish government ain't barging. Don't think I'm talking crap, I'd fight too, so should every Kurd if it ever comes down to it. Not to say I want it, just saying its a more likely outcome.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:57 pm**

jjmuneer wrote:if it secures a place for Kurdistan in future world politics.

It might seem silly, but this will only become a reality if we get ourselves a coast. I know that the Kurds of Hatay and the gulf of Alexandrette are indigenous to their land, but since there are hardly any of them left, it does not seem so to the outside world. Either way, I would not feel bad about appropriating some exessive land from Turkey. They have occupied roughly 60% of our homeland for 90 years, and occupying 5% of theirs would be a suitable punishment.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:28 pm**

Azamat wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:if it secures a place for Kurdistan in future world politics.
It might seem silly, but this will only become a reality if we get ourselves a coast. I know that the Kurds of Hatay and the gulf of Alexandrette are indigenous to their land, but since there are hardly any of them left, it does not seem so to the outside world. Either way, I would not feel bad about appropriating some exessive land from Turkey. They have occupied roughly 60% of our homeland for 90 years, and occupying 5% of theirs would be a suitable punishment.

We don't need a port for economic growth, not to say that won't help. Today alot of shipping is done by plane. If you want more land, then thats you. I'm ultra-nationalist, but I don't see why we should take extra lands. I don't want different ethnic groups in Kurdistan. Not to say there aren't any. I'm just saying it will cause more problems.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:38 pm**

PKK leader demands apology from Israel for Öcalan capture

Leader of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) has demanded an apology from Israel for helping the capture of PKK’s jailed leader Abdullah Öcalan back in 1999 after reports that Israel may use the PKK against Turkey in the face of increasing tensions between the two countries.

Karayılan’s remarks came three days after a report suggesting that Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman offered to hold meetings with leaders of the PKK in response to Turkey’s sanctions on Israel due to its refusal to apologize for flotilla deaths.

Karayılan told Firat news agency on Monday that the PKK is a “principled organization” and that it is not a movement that “could be used against any state.”

Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth reported on Friday that the hawkish Israeli foreign minister had been planning to meet with PKK leaders in Europe to discuss cooperation with the terrorist group in every possible way. Lieberman has been planning a series of measures to retaliate against Turkey over an apology row, including providing military aid to the outlawed PKK, the daily said.

Karayılan said he was not sure if Lieberman indeed used these words, recalling the denial of the foreign minister following the claims. “He made a mistake if he said it,” Karayılan said.

In an interview with Israeli Channel 2 TV late on Saturday, Lieberman said no issue such as helping the PKK was discussed at a meeting of the Foreign Ministry, which was the basis of the Yedioth Ahronoth report.

Karayılan said if Israel wants to build relations with the PKK, it first needs to apologize to Kurdish people and the PKK for capturing PKK leadership with an international conspiracy and surrendering to Turkey.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:56 pm**

jjmuneer wrote:Corduene were Medes and Alans. It would mean we'd have to claim most of Iran. Anways I'd be happy with half of the land we claim,

who told you that? Baba Ahmedinecad :lol:

Oh the bad Kurds how can we even claim land from "mother Aryanam".

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:54 am**

Kurdistano wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:Corduene were Medes and Alans. It would mean we'd have to claim most of Iran. Anways I'd be happy with half of the land we claim,

who told you that? Baba Ahmedinecad Oh the bad Kurds how can we even claim land from "mother Aryanam".

Alot of people in north western Iran have kurdish routes.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:31 pm**

i have been to all parts of kurdistan , eastern kurdistan is the most beautiful one . and wealthy too .,

Posted: **Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:39 pm**

alan131210 wrote:i have been to all parts of kurdistan , eastern kurdistan is the most beautiful one . and wealthy too .,

You visited Kermanshah? My home town.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:49 pm**

jjmuneer wrote:
alan131210 wrote:i have been to all parts of kurdistan , eastern kurdistan is the most beautiful one . and wealthy too .,

You visited Kermanshah? My home town.

not kermashan no

but i been to Bana , Saqez , Mariwan , Sine , Sardasht . they are like heavens its so not fair that mullahs are occupying our ancestor's lands .

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