Roj Bash Kurdistan

Kerdoğan recently got on TV and scolded us (we know who we are) for saying that 35 Kurds were killed. He wants us to say that 35 people were killed. Now naturally I agree with this sentiment in the abstract: If the PKK and the Turkish army clash, it's not relevant whether the dead PKK members are Kurds (although of course they usually are) or whether the Turkish soldiers are Turks or Kurds, that is, it's not relevant to people with humanistic values. However, last time I checked, Kerdoğan is not the Prime Minister of İnsaniye, whose constitution asserts the supremacy of İnsanca and the fact that Atainsan is an immortal and unparalleled leader. I must have missed all the placques which read "Ne mutlu insanım diyene".

So it's not just washed-up Leftists and pro-state liberals insisting we be humanists only when this fake humanism benifits Kemalism. It's also ex-Islamists who now worship money.

Oh now their humanists Thats probably what Hitler would of said if he won WW2.

jjmuneer wrote:Oh now their humanists Thats probably what Hitler would of said if he won WW2.

They say they're humanist every once in a while. But then they don't have humanist schools, a humanist constitution, humanist laws, etc. I have long supported converting the Kemalist state into an Anatolian Republic or Anatolian Federation which would espouse humanist values for its citizens and residents (can't leave out "illegal immigrants", if you ask me). I am all about this idea. But for Kerdoğan to say it to the Kurds for their nationalism and never to the state for its much more oppressive nationalism is a joke.

thearabchildren wrote:

jjmuneer wrote:Oh now their humanists Thats probably what Hitler would of said if he won WW2.

They say they're humanist every once in a while. But then they don't have humanist schools, a humanist constitution, humanist laws, etc. I have long supported converting the Kemalist state into an Anatolian Republic or Anatolian Federation which would espouse humanist values for its citizens and residents (can't leave out "illegal immigrants", if you ask me). I am all about this idea. But for Kerdoğan to say it to the Kurds for their nationalism and never to the state for its much more oppressive nationalism is a joke.

I'm not a humanist and don't hide that fact, Turks aren't Anatolians, neither their language. If you go onto a Turkish forum or Turkish parliment and suggest a anatolian federation you'd get laughed at. The idea is cool, but not with Turks.

jjmuneer wrote:

thearabchildren wrote:

jjmuneer wrote:Oh now their humanists Thats probably what Hitler would of said if he won WW2.

They say they're humanist every once in a while. But then they don't have humanist schools, a humanist constitution, humanist laws, etc. I have long supported converting the Kemalist state into an Anatolian Republic or Anatolian Federation which would espouse humanist values for its citizens and residents (can't leave out "illegal immigrants", if you ask me). I am all about this idea. But for Kerdoğan to say it to the Kurds for their nationalism and never to the state for its much more oppressive nationalism is a joke.

I'm not a humanist and don't hide that fact, Turks aren't Anatolians, neither their language. If you go onto a Turkish forum or Turkish parliment and suggest a anatolian federation you'd get laughed at. The idea is cool, but not with Turks.

I have suggested the idea, in English and in Turkish, and I have been laughed at. Others have applauded the idea, but what will they do to enact it? Too busy consuming to mobilise for equality with the Kurds.

Social class is incredibly important. A Greek Cypriot I know (one of my dearest friends and comrades) commented that the attitude of Greek Cypriots toward Turkish Cypriots mirrors the attitude of Turkish Cypriots and mainlanders toward Kurds: They forced them into a national project without considering their feelings, suffered violent consequences, and today an economic divide between one and the other prevents the richer nationality from taking any concrete action for equality with the poorer nationality among those sections of the wealthier nationality which desire it, which empowers the racist status quo in Greek Cypriot/Turkish society.