Peshmerga

[alan131210]

15-17km range indicates that these are D30s. They are training artillery for the Army. Must be rotated for another exercise of tadrib al shamil and nothing to do with going to war with anyone!

some details of what tadreeb al shamil is:
http://www.supportourtroops.org/index.p ... Itemid=632


Iraqi army divisions go through 4-5 large scale training cycles annually to maintain combat readiness and prepare for new doctrines and operational techniques. This is a "ROUTINE" training.

but now ? and bringing additional forces 1400 ? and without letting Peshmerga know for what purpose since we have cooperations on such moves.

[sheytanElKebir]

but now ? and bringing additional forces 1400 ? and without letting Peshmerga know for what purpose since we have cooperations on such moves.

bad coordination is an Iraqi trait LOL. I'm sure Babaker Zebari knew (he has schedules for all training cycles).

[alan131210]

but now ? and bringing additional forces 1400 ? and without letting Peshmerga know for what purpose since we have cooperations on such moves.

bad coordination is an Iraqi trait LOL. I'm sure Babaker Zebari knew (he has schedules for all training cycles).

lol true but he is not a Peshmerga.

[jjmuneer]

Lol do you remember when Saddam Hussien was personally commanding his forces?

[jjmuneer]

those weapons are effective against villages and some lightly armed insurgents mostly. Also against unassisted infantry (e.g. Iranian infantry during the war with Iraq).

Well your right and wrong at the same time. I mean if a mortar was to hit the roof of a Humvee, the people inside would be dead, lets just say that. Anyways its not like Iraqi Army will make great use of their military equipment, or Iranian army packing in latest American hardware

[sheytanElKebir]

Well your right and wrong at the same time. I mean if a mortar was to hit the roof of a Humvee, the people inside would be dead, lets just say that. Anyways its not like Iraqi Army will make great use of their military equipment, or Iranian army packing in latest American hardware

what I mean is these "conventional mortars" are simply area bombardment devices. The chances of them hitting a HUMVEE are slim, but they provide some "artillery" for light infantry and can be used for siege bombardment at short ranges.

Of course there are the larger mortar pieces (160mm and 240mm) which go for 20km range and rain down 100kg+ of high explosives. Those are a bit more serious.

Mortars would be usefull for Peshmarga due to the mountainous terrain in which they operate. For Iraq, not so much.

[jjmuneer]

Well your right and wrong at the same time. I mean if a mortar was to hit the roof of a Humvee, the people inside would be dead, lets just say that. Anyways its not like Iraqi Army will make great use of their military equipment, or Iranian army packing in latest American hardware

what I mean is these "conventional mortars" are simply area bombardment devices. The chances of them hitting a HUMVEE are slim, but they provide some "artillery" for light infantry and can be used for siege bombardment at short ranges.

Of course there are the larger mortar pieces (160mm and 240mm) which go for 20km range and rain down 100kg+ of high explosives. Those are a bit more serious.

Mortars would be usefull for Peshmarga due to the mountainous terrain in which they operate. For Iraq, not so much.

Well its not laser guided lol, but I saw they had range levels fixed on the mortars for "better" accuracy. If you saw the video I sent, you'll see they were hitting their targets, but I suppose they were static in one position. So easy target.
Heavy artierlly though is most used for sieges and clearling out positions or destruction of enemy fortifications.

[alan131210]

we should buy some stingers . btw i hear iraq has bought and received some US and russian weapons , shaytan do you have any info ?

[sheytanElKebir]

stingers are completely compromised by the ALE 47s installed on pretty much every flying device in Iraq and Turkey (including russian helicopters, retrofitted with it). No point buying these old things.

[jjmuneer]

stingers are completely compromised by the ALE 47s installed on pretty much every flying device in Iraq and Turkey (including russian helicopters, retrofitted with it). No point buying these old things.

Sorry but what is an ALE-47? Are they flares there to distract the stinger rounds?

[KaniRashi]

Guys, you are talking about buying different weapons from different countries, but the best thing is to buy weapons from the same country, it will make warfare easier. Just think of what confusion and how it would slow us down if we had T-72 and M1A1...If you look at all countries with modern military, you see that more than 80% of the weapons come from the same country...So for us, it's best if we choose American made weapons(which we already purchase from European countries), but for now, we need all kind of weapons(cheap, expensive, bad, good) we can get since we don't have enough money to buy weapons systematically.

[Azad1]

Well your right and wrong at the same time. I mean if a mortar was to hit the roof of a Humvee, the people inside would be dead, lets just say that. Anyways its not like Iraqi Army will make great use of their military equipment, or Iranian army packing in latest American hardware

what I mean is these "conventional mortars" are simply area bombardment devices. The chances of them hitting a HUMVEE are slim, but they provide some "artillery" for light infantry and can be used for siege bombardment at short ranges.

Of course there are the larger mortar pieces (160mm and 240mm) which go for 20km range and rain down 100kg+ of high explosives. Those are a bit more serious.

Mortars would be usefull for Peshmarga due to the mountainous terrain in which they operate. For Iraq, not so much.

I heard from a friend that the Iraqi army will soon be allowed to enter kurdistan for military training. Have you heard of any news regarding this, sheytan ?

[Kurdistano]

Arm the Peshmarga with G36A2s. Can't go wrong.

Kurdistan is a small country. Its military MUST FOCUS 100% on quality, both in training/doctrine as well as equipment.

yes we are small but shaytan we are bigger than alot of powerful countries like israel . if the greater kurdistan one day comes about which i am certain it will one day then kurdistan will be a big country bigger than iraq and turkey .

Indeed I am sure even without Jets the current Peshmerga army could beat the Syrian.

[alan131210]

I heard from a friend that the Iraqi army will soon be allowed to enter kurdistan for military training. Have you heard of any news regarding this, sheytan ?

Is he a goran ? seriously a lot o f crap circulates these days

[alan131210]

November 21, 2006 - eKurd.net

Recent history has proven itself to be the most useful and rare moments for Kurds to declare their independence .The future of Kurdish defense and independence cannot be relied on few hundred thousand Peshmerga units; in fact, much more is needed in today’s needy time. Today we are surrounded by number of fearless beasts who will not hesitate to invade Kurdistan at any given time.

We must expand our military divisions far beyond our today’s limits. We have to show the world that Kurds are capable of fighting for their independence and are as capable as the Turkish, Iranian, and Syrian forces. But how? The first step in our military expansion is to open up a new military division, “Kurdistan Airforce,” by all means. Our Peshmergas (Kurdistan National Guards) have limits when it comes to fighting; we can’t rely on them for every source of protection.

For instance, it’s totally impossible to fight the Turkish air jets, if they happened to drop heavy bombardments on Kurds in upcoming future. In order to counter-attack, we need to apply an equal force on their side of territory. Turkey has recently made an agreement with U.S on buying 30 F-16’s and number of other-different fighting jets; it’s very likely that they will be used against the Kurds if Kurds declare their independence.

It’s the duty of Kurdistan Regional Government to protect the Kurds by purchasing modern weaponry and self defense tools. If Kurdish politicians are capable of mastering every aspect of politics, then they are certainly capable of buying fighting jets in pretense of fighting terrorism. The second step in military expansion would be to buy number of other fighting tools such as: tanks, rocket propellers, short ranged missiles all in pretense of fighting terrorism.

These sorts of weaponry will serve in interest of Kurdistan’s defense and, simultarneouly; send a strict signal to the neighboring countries on our military means.. A comparison of the fact could be seen in the Jewish state of Israel. Israel’s approximately 4 million Jews have shaken the whole Arab world, all due to their military expansion. Same must be done in our part of Kurdistan. If the Kurdistan Regional Government spends 15-20% of Kurdistan’s budget for no more than 5 years, on our military expansion Kurdistan will have the full capability to declare its independence.

I think it wouldn't be bad to have some helicopters, missiles and some jets.

Israel survives because of its Airforce (IAF) and American help. They have a large number of F15, F16, F4 E (all US made), Mirage (French) and Lavi (Israeli-Frech) fighting jets.

ekurd