New Kurdish Map ?

[Diri]

Welatêmîr - I don't quite get the connection here...

Give some examples. Problem with Dersim is religion, they saw/see themselves as Alevi's first and then as TurksThis is because they have a bad history with the Sunni's and the kemalists proclaimed they were in favour of a secular state.

But the Kemalists said a lot things, that didn't happen.

Who are you writing to?

[Vladimir]

To Delali off course.

[Heja]

The map isnot exact, indeed a very bad map. I can guess why, since the person who have prepared it, must have been a greek guy, without much knowledge of kurdish history.

Diri is right, many kurdish inhabited areas in "Rojhelat" have been ignored, most noteably, The area to the west of "Wurmê", a place where persian and Azeris want to turkify it by force. Also it deosn't contain the kurdistan province in iran. It should contain all the horizontal part of "Qezel Awzan" River which is flowing towards the Caspian sea.
To the south inside iran, it should contain "Kimashan" and "Ilam".

Also it doesn't contain, "Kelbajar" and "East of Karabakh" which is a kurdish enclave in Azerbaijan republic. The small enclave inside Azerbaijan, gray part to the east is kurdish. Also Armenia has some kurdish inhabited areas.

Some lands to the east of Armenia, inside turkey, traditionally belonged to Armenians. The Most important ares is "Kars", which still has numerous Armenian churches.

The iraq part is also awful, it doesn't cover "Xaneqîn" and "Mendelî".

[Heja]

Diri,

I Sometimes one can know our enemy better looking from the outside. Just think, one of the most pro-statist, pro-Kemalist places in Kurdistan is Dersim - a place whose recent inhabitants went through one of the cruelest episodes in Kurdish history.

Regards.

As far as I remember, Dersim was the scene of the bloody uprising of kurds against turks in 30's.

Look at this:

"1930: The Dersim revolt is crushed in a similar way"
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds

How come "Dersim" people are Kemalist?!

This is confusing.

ALso these:

"In the Dersim revolt of 1937-1938, only Alevi tribes participated" From
http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~siamakr/Kur ... /sec2.html

"...1925 Sheikh Sait Rebellion, 1930 Ağrı Rebellion and 1937 Dersim Revolt were among the most important Kurdish rebellions suppressed by shedding blood in the Republican period."
http://www.hakpar.org.tr/aciklamalar/128.htm

[ellinas]

i listen that a new map released like that one before by the group. as i will find it, i will post it here

[Diri]

Great Ellinas - is it a different type of map??? I hope they have goten it right this time LOL