3 Kurdish women shot inside the Kurdish Institute of Paris

[Anthea]

It isn't PKK's fault that kurds likes to watch turkish television or use the language.
I agree because Ocalan has always encouraged the people to get an education and especially, to learn Kurdish.

Here is NOT the place to discuss this any further. Here we should discuss the terrible murders in Paris:

WHO or WHAT was the target
These centres do a lot of good work in promoting the Kurdish cause and liaising with other people and organisations. The signs are that this was a planned attack and there is NO certainty that the killers would have known in advance exactly how many people would be there at any set time. They would however have known approximately how many people normally work in the centre.

Who did the actual killings
I do NOT believe that those experienced ladies would have opened the door to unknown Turks. More than likely that Turks have been passing themselves off as Kurds and living and working inside the Kurdish community of Paris for YEARS. We know for a FACT that Turks infiltrate ALL Kurdish organisations and highly populated Kurdish neighbourhoods.

Who ordered the killings
People who have been working under cover for years would NOT suddenly dash off and shoot others. Someone, somewhere gave an order.

Why, what reason did they have to target these ladies or this centre at that moment in time.
I do NOT think the decision was made by just one person but possibility a small committee, decided that it was time for action.

Out of all those THOUSANDS of people who protested, how many have volunteered to help in these Information Centres
How many of the protestors have come up with ideas and offers of help to relocate and improve the security of these Information Centres.

Protesting is GOOD but do NOT go home afterwards and forget what happened. I doubt very much that the attack would have ever taken place if the office was in a modern secure office block and staffed on a 24 hour basis by LARGE numbers of Kurdish volunteers

NEVER AGAIN should ladies be left to work in these centres on their own.

IMPORTANT
Increased security for these centres and those working inside them, PLEASE see my other post: Security for Kurdish Information Centres WORLDWIDE
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[Kurdistano]

Who did the actual killings
I do NOT believe that those experienced ladies would have opened the door to unknown Turks. More than likely that Turks have been passing themselves off as Kurds and living and working inside the Kurdish community of Paris for YEARS. We know for a FACT that Turks infiltrate ALL Kurdish organisations and highly populated Kurdish neighbourhoods.

Anthea dear, Have you even red my post before posting yourself. According to the source I provided the French police has the murders on tape. Its three persons who did hack the keycode of the door.

[Piling]

1/The key door is not activated during the day. So it is a bit surprising.

2/What about the second porte in the hall the one that you can't open without ringing and talking to CIK Office ?

3/ According to the witnesses' story (on firat news) the 3 victims were in one of the room, and preparing their luggages quietly. If they have heard someone entered in the Office they would have gone out the room for seeing who it was.

http://en.firatajans.com/index.php?rupe ... uceID=5566

So the most probable : the 3 men entered because some opened the 2nd door from the Office ?

I draw here how is the CIK and how you can enter or not enter.

http://sohrawardi.blogspot.fr/2013/01/l ... yette.html

[Anthea]

Anthea dear, Have you even red my post before posting yourself. According to the source I provided the French police has the murders on tape. Its three persons who did hack the keycode of the door.

SORRY my friend I did not see your message before I posted mine. I started writing then stopped half way to answer my phone.

I am glad that they have some video evidence, I always thought that it was more than one killer. Poor ladies did not stand a chance.

[Anthea]

1/The key door is not activated during the day. So it is a bit surprising.

2/What about the second porte in the hall the one that you can't open without ringing and talking to CIK Office ?

Good point. You have been there so know exactly what the system was

3/ According to the witnesses' story (on firat news) the 3 victims were in one of the room, and preparing their luggages quietly. If they have heard someone entered in the Office they would have gone out the room for seeing who it was.

And the witness was hid exactly where, the toilet perhaps. Even if the witness has been with them earlier they could not know that the ladies were still sitting in the same place. Cups of tea, trips to the toilet. And YES they would have heard something.

http://en.firatajans.com/index.php?rupel=article&nuceID=5566

"We first opened the outside door as we already knew its code.I had the key of the office but there were two doors to be opened, so we rang all the doorbells in the building but nobody opened the door."

It appears that there were 3 locked doors.
The outside door to which the friends had the code
An internal door to the office to which the friends had a key
A third inner door that needed to be opened by someone inside the office BUT if that were the case then how did the friends gain entry?

So the most probable : the 3 men entered because some opened the 2nd door from the Office ?

I draw here how is the CIK and how you can enter or not enter.

http://sohrawardi.blogspot.fr/2013/01/l ... yette.html

[Piling]

Don't worry people, the killer is known now. Osman Öcalan knows everything

http://www.takvim.com.tr/Guncel/2013/01 ... emir-cikti

[Anthea]

Don't worry people, the killer is known now. Osman Öcalan knows everything

http://www.takvim.com.tr/Guncel/2013/01 ... emir-cikti

That makes everything perfectly clear, my French being so perfectly non-existent

I tried Google translate but it made NO sense. Is someone saying that Osman is behind this?

[Piling]

It is in Turkish in fact. Try to translate from Turkish to English, it would work better

I think he said that Kendal Nezan, the President of the Kurdish Institute is behind the crime, with the French State, and I guess that Riza Altun and Osman Baydemir are also involved.

But some ppl here know Turkish better, so they could verify if my guess is right.

[Anthea]

I suppose that everyone will be accusing each other until the truth comes out if it EVER does.

I keep thinking about all those lovely BIG missiles Turkey now has.

If the Kurds became really angry, perhaps some people might be badly injured or killed during the funerals, Turkey might use the fighting as an excuse to play with his missiles.

[Piling]

Well, I have never considered Osman Öcalan as a bright brain. Now I discover that, at least, he has a great imagination. He should write thriller novels.

[Anthea]

Well, I have never considered Osman Öcalan as a bright brain. Now I discover that, at least, he has a great imagination. He should write thriller novels.

I am sure that we both remember the tensions in the PKK when Ocalan was arrested, the party nearly divided then and I think that Turkey is trying to make it happen again.

[Piling]

Tensions have never stopped. Osman Öaclan fled Qandil to KEG some years ago. Before that, there were trouble fights and a bodyguard even shot his leg. I believe he had problem with Riza Altun also, that explains his story of plot.

[Anthea]

I was surprised when Mehmet visited Ocalan in prison because I thought that Mehmet was closer to Osman

Is Turkey behind Osman and the murders?

[dyaoko]

It is in Turkish in fact. Try to translate from Turkish to English, it would work better

I think he said that Kendal Nezan, the President of the Kurdish Institute is behind the crime, with the French State, and I guess that Riza Altun and Osman Baydemir are also involved.

But some ppl here know Turkish better, so they could verify if my guess is right.

WTF thats the most stupid claim, what they say is stupid rubbish

[Piling]

The funny is that the last week, according to AFP, we were the victims and now, according to this asshole, we are the murderers.