I am the only authority for PKK disarmament: Öcalan 4/1

[Cewlik]

KRG is not even independant. What planet are you living on?

I dont said that the KRG is independent, I said that they bring Kurdistan forward to independence.

I don't know about saving the world but it will most definitely save middle east from its missery.

Nobody will follow apoisim not even Kurds, even if they would do, it would not work, but you will not even see how it will not work because nobody will follow such a ideology.

North Kurdistan will not come forward with the PKK, it need a new party/movement which works for a free Kurdistan and dont follows a failed ideology, not like the PKK which sacrifices Kurdish lives for a failed ideology.

[Qonyeyi]

KRG is not even independant. What planet are you living on?

I dont said that the KRG is independent, I said that they bring Kurdistan forward to independence.

I don't know about saving the world but it will most definitely save middle east from its missery.

Nobody will follow apoisim not even Kurds, even if they would do, it would not work, but you will not even see how it will not work because nobody will follow such a ideology.

North Kurdistan will not come forward with the PKK, it need a new party/movement which works for a free Kurdistan and dont follows a failed ideology, not like the PKK which sacrifices Kurdish lives for a failed ideology.

The Kurdish poeple disagree with you 5 million personal signatures for Ocalan. I do not think this has ever happened before.

[Cewlik]

The Kurdish poeple disagree with you 5 million personal signatures for Ocalan. I do not think this has ever happened before.

I bet you get the most signatures for Öcalan in your group who go to the streets and ask people to give their signatures for Öcalan.

What comes next, who has more likes in Facebook? Signatures are nothink, you can fake it or you can get it without that the people even care about the Issue. A organized group with enough time can get millions of signatures for everyone and everything.

Many Kurds who vote for the BDP are not followers of the PKK/BDP ideology but they vote for the BDP because there is no other alternative. But that is the fault of the othe Kurds who are not organized with a party and movement.

[Qonyeyi]

The Kurdish poeple disagree with you 5 million personal signatures for Ocalan. I do not think this has ever happened before.

I bet you get the most signatures for Öcalan in your group who go to the streets and ask people to give their signatures for Öcalan.

What comes next, who has more likes in Facebook? Signatures are nothink, you can fake it or you can get it without that the people even care about the Issue. A organized group with enough time can get millions of signatures for everyone and everything.

Many Kurds who vote for the BDP are not followers of the PKK/BDP ideology but they vote for the BDP because there is no other alternative. But that is the fault of the othe Kurds who are not organized with a party and movement.

You are the one who brought up the number of followers as a sign of support/success. Personally, I do not care. Ghandi, Martin Luther, Nelson Mandela, Gerry Adams and Fidel Castro were never majorities. They never had all popular support. But they had strong faith and a strong ideology so they won. Same will happen to Abdullah Ocalan. We both know this. You just choose to close your eyes, that is your decission.

[Fire]

Despite all the critic towards Öcalan we shouldn't forget that without this man and his unbeatable organizsation PKK the Kurds in Turkey and generally in Middle East would be still nothing and would be surpressed like hell. Things changed heavily over the last 20 years and Kurds got stronger, much stronger than we was at that time. Öcalan created such an organization, who beat the shit out of the second strongest natocountry (militarily) despite only using 30-40 % of his potential. PKK can do much more, they always say it and if they would do, I guarantee you Turkey would be like hell and much much worse than Iraq, Afghanistan or Germany (after second world war) ever was. We see hundreds of thousands Kurds on Turkish streets every week fighting for their rights and they get this bravery and power from the PKK.

[Cewlik]

It is not important how much you do, if you do it for the wrong thing. Yes PKK did many things, but at the end they choose the wrong way.

[Aslan]

In Rare Talks Ocalan Demands Release of Prisoners, Contact With Rebel Base

ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – Jailed rebel leader Abdullah Ocalan has asked Ankara to free thousands of Kurdish prisoners and let him communicate with his mountain base in Iraqi Kurdistan, in rare talks believed to have centered on disarming guerrillas of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in Turkey, a source told Rudaw.

Ocalan, who has lived in virtual isolation on Turkey’s Imrali island since his capture in 1999, met last week with two pro-Kurdish MPs, the first meeting with anyone outside his family for more than a year.

Details of Thursday’s talks, led by Aylat Akat of the pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) have not been disclosed, but Turkish intelligence and other officials have said that, “The talks with Ocalan are about disarming the PKK."

Turkish media reports claim that, as it did in 1999, the PKK would pull out of Turkish territories by May in return for new laws and amendments to the Turkish constitution related to the country’s large but oppressed Kurdish minority.

"Ocalan demanded the release of KCK (Kurdish Communities Council) prisoners by the Turkish government,” a source close to the talks told Rudaw on condition of anonymity. “He also demanded a telephone in order to contact Qandil," the rebel mountain base, the source added.

The PKK says Turkey is holding some 8,000 prisoners from the KCK. Both groups are led by Ocalan.

The talks are considered by some political observers to be a major step in resolving the Kurdish issue in Turkey, where for decades the PKK has waged an armed struggle against the state for autonomy and greater Kurdish rights. The campaign has reportedly cost more than 40,000 lives.

"Ocalan represents our movement but talks cannot be held in a cell,” said Zubeyir Aydar, a member of the KCK’s leadership council. He said the talks were “good for a start, but in order for them to be effective the situation of the leader Ocalan needs to be improved."

Aydar noted that, through his lawyers, Ocalan has told Turkey, “If you want me to play an effective role, then you should change my situation."

"Both sides have reached the conclusion that war does not solve anything. I believe the government has learnt from past experiences,” Bayram Bozyil, former leader of the Rights and Freedoms Party (HAK-PAR), told the Radikal newspaper.

“The government is considering elections, the constitution, and the developments in the Middle East. It has no choice but to put an end to violence," he added in the published comments.

The BDP is reportedly meeting with MPs, mayors, and officials in Diyarbakir province to assess the latest developments. It is expected to announce the outcome of its meetings later this week.

[Piling]

Obviously Öcalan wants to regain control of the guerilla and Qandil. Some might have bad nights among the High Council of Presidency…

[Cewlik]

It cannot and it will not be replaced.

Of course every Party can be replaced.

[talsor]

Kaka Jian
Aposim in theory is copy and paste of socialism + communism + well...canadian green party , which is a nice cocktail in theory, but in reality it is doing and saying whatever APO commands .

Apo in his old days gained lots of respect when he asked for an independent Kurdistan , but the moment he was captured he turned from a lion to a mouse . He broke down before even landing in turkey telling turkish soldiers " my mother is turkish and "why are you doing this to me" .

hundreds of journalists from across the globe flow to turkey to see the next Mandela or Gandhi or che Guevara and they all flow back the next day the moment APO said " I'm, ready to serve the turkish state " " I'm sorry for what I did " I can bring the guerilla from the mountains "

Now , no one has a problem with you being an apoci , You can go and burn yourself for Apo like those idiots were doing while Apo kissing turkish boots , you can go once an a year and walk to Apo's village and go around his house 7 times ,so turkish journalists can take your picture and make fun of you . You can eat when he tells you to eat and starve when he tell you starve.... so knock yourself out , but save us all this embarrassment about Apo being the great leader or Aposim being studied in the universities across the world or comparing him to Gandhi and martin Luther and even Castro .

Apo by all definition is a traitor and a coward . All he had to do after his capture is to say " biji kurdistan" and shut up and he would have entered kurdish history from the widest doors . Instead he made a list of PKK cadres and send to Qandil and asked them to surrender to turkish government to save his neck and prove his loyalty to turkey and Apocis like you were more than happy to comply with his order and those who refused to surrender where shot on site by Apocis .

in all honesty , you are delusional like most religious fanatics and beyond help , but keep talking because while it is creepy , it is still amusing .

Next episode " Apo walking on water " or "Apo has no shadow "

[talsor]

Obviously Öcalan wants to regain control of the guerilla and Qandil. Some might have bad nights among the High Council of Presidency…

I still have hope in PKK after karayilan's recent statement , but If Ocalan was actually able to take command once again then all hope in the north is lost .

[Piling]

A 'breaking news' in Rudaw page on Facebook says that the brother of Öcalan states that he will be released in 2015. Of course, such 'news' need to be read cautiously.

[Qonyeyi]

Kaka Jian
Aposim in theory is copy and paste of socialism + communism + well...canadian green party , which is a nice cocktail in theory, but in reality it is doing and saying whatever APO commands .

Apo in his old days gained lots of respect when he asked for an independent Kurdistan , but the moment he was captured he turned from a lion to a mouse . He broke down before even landing in turkey telling turkish soldiers " my mother is turkish and "why are you doing this to me" .

hundreds of journalists from across the globe flow to turkey to see the next Mandela or Gandhi or che Guevara and they all flow back the next day the moment APO said " I'm, ready to serve the turkish state " " I'm sorry for what I did " I can bring the guerilla from the mountains "

Now , no one has a problem with you being an apoci , You can go and burn yourself for Apo like those idiots were doing while Apo kissing turkish boots , you can go once an a year and walk to Apo's village and go around his house 7 times ,so turkish journalists can take your picture and make fun of you . You can eat when he tells you to eat and starve when he tell you starve.... so knock yourself out , but save us all this embarrassment about Apo being the great leader or Aposim being studied in the universities across the world or comparing him to Gandhi and martin Luther and even Castro .

Apo by all definition is a traitor and a coward . All he had to do after his capture is to say " biji kurdistan" and shut up and he would have entered kurdish history from the widest doors . Instead he made a list of PKK cadres and send to Qandil and asked them to surrender to turkish government to save his neck and prove his loyalty to turkey and Apocis like you were more than happy to comply with his order and those who refused to surrender where shot on site by Apocis .

in all honesty , you are delusional like most religious fanatics and beyond help , but keep talking because while it is creepy , it is still amusing .

Next episode " Apo walking on water " or "Apo has no shadow "

The people who shouted '' Biji Kurdistan'' when they were captured were hanged, and with all due to respect, look at where their parties have ended now. Being a stubborn nationalist just does not work anymore in this world. Nationalism is dead. Free Kurdistan or not, the amount of lives that have been saved due to PKK's struggle is amazing. This, by any means, should have ended in a total war like it did many other places in the world. But thanks to Apo and PKK we now see an actual political process that has been going on for some years.

And the rest of what you wrote was one big lie. Save us your spreading of poison. Read some books instead of listening to bullsh**..

[Piling]

And the rest of what you wrote was one big lie.

All is true. Just watch the movie of his trial in July 1999 and read the newspaper of 1999, Özgür Politika, for example.

[Qonyeyi]

And the rest of what you wrote was one big lie.

All is true. Just watch the movie of his trial in July 1999 and read the newspaper of 1999, Özgür Politika, for example.

I did. It is a general misconcept that he actually sent a list of people that should surrender. Many PKK members surrendered willingly and collaborated with Turkey. Parmaksiz Zeki is one example. For a long time he said it was from order of PKK, but later ( and very recently) he admitted that he did it voluntarily. But of course, if you have some source I am ready to read it.