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I would urge everyone to watch the current situation in Rojava. There is a lot of interesting things going on. The border is still closed and people are gathering in the masses in towns like Amude, Hesice, Derik, Serekani and Qamishlo in order to urge the Bashuri government to open the borders again. Many interviews with the youth in the cities. Very interesting.

http://www.ronahitv.com/channel/view/zind-14

PYD sources says it's closed while neçîrvan says it's absolutely not. The video by ANF (pyd/pkk-media) of a border being closed with barbed wire was actually the baghdad-bashuri border..

The video by ANF (pyd/pkk-media) of a border being closed with barbed wire was actually the baghdad-bashuri border..

Piling wrote:

The video by ANF (pyd/pkk-media) of a border being closed with barbed wire was actually the baghdad-bashuri border..

lol whatcha laughing at, i'm just redirecting sources https://twitter.com/Avend93/status/288414613807190018

I know this twitter, I follow him

Qonyeyi wrote:I would urge everyone to watch the current situation in Rojava. There is a lot of interesting things going on. The border is still closed and people are gathering in the masses in towns like Amude, Hesice, Derik, Serekani and Qamishlo in order to urge the Bashuri government to open the borders again. Many interviews with the youth in the cities. Very interesting.

http://www.ronahitv.com/channel/view/zind-14

The Border is not closed because there is still no border to re-open. I didn't wanted to quote something from one forum to the other but since you insist on something without even trying to inform yourself.

quote from brendar

KRG says there are no official borders between Kurdistan and Syria. Two or three months ago KRG announced that they are going to build a bridge from Fish Khabur to Syria. As we all know, this was going to led to a war between iraqi army and Kurdistan Army.

Therefore, KRG stated that they have never ever closed those borders and never will. In addition, KRG stated that they there are 60,000 Kurds from Rojava in South Kurdistan and more Kurds are arriving by boats from Rojava to fishkhabur and then to Zaxo and Duhok.

If you do not believe me, click on the link below and check the border for yourself.

Zoom in on the "A" letter and then you can see the fish khabur river between South Kurdistan and Rojava.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=F ... a=N&tab=wl

This is the actual border between Rojava and South of Kurdistan. There are no public roads between Rojava and South Kurdistan. These people walking on the mud are carrying gallons of fuel oils and foods from South to Rojava by means of walking. The officer at 1.22 indicated to aljazeera that they cannot close this border because thousands of Rojava Kurds travel everyday by walking to get foods from South and return back to Rojava. But they say this particular border is not official and it is controlled by turks and iraqis on west and east sides. So KRG has to convince baghdad to open the official borders which have public roads connecting iraq to syria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... SBrvOgvNpY

Alan

In picture, the border crossing from WK to SK to bring goods

The area around Zumar is under Peshmerga control but the office etc. are officially still under "Baghdad" command. This is why KRG is trying to build a new bridge.

Al Jazeera report from yesterday 08.01.2013

Many Syrians are also seeking refuge in Iraq. About a thousand refugees cross into the country's Kurdish region every day through official border crossings. But many more are using dangerous routes to transport essential supplies. The Kurdish regional government is allowing it, even though it goes against the policy of Iraq's federal government. Omar Al Saleh reports from Erbil.

Baghdad closed the official border crossing not the KRG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb-V-WGGFyI

I will tell you what this is all about .

Barzani has been and will always be opposed to what PYD is doing is western Kurdistan in terms of flying PKK''s version Kurdistan flag and their Iron fist along with heavy taxes they have been imposing on humanitarian assistant recently . All Attempt to reason with them have failed and their relation is completely deteriorated . As a result We saw PYD leader visiting Baghdad and meeting with Maliki and later on visiting Nashirwan mustafa who are willing to do anything and everything against KRG .

This is a smear champaign by PYD against KRG with blessing and support of Goran and Maliki .

talsor wrote:I will tell you what this is all about .

Barzani has been and will always be opposed to what PYD is doing is western Kurdistan in terms of flying PKK''s version Kurdistan flag and their Iron fist along with heavy taxes they have been imposing on humanitarian assistant recently . All Attempt to reason with them have failed and their relation is completely deteriorated . As a result We saw PYD leader visiting Baghdad and meeting with Maliki and later on visiting Nashirwan mustafa who are willing to do anything and everything against KRG .

This is a smear champaign by PYD against KRG with blessing and support of Goran and Maliki .

Ok, ''all-so-clever-Talsor''. I want you to watch the interviews with the numerous of youths on any Kurdish tv channel. The TV channel i pointed to is just one of them. Of course, most of Bashuri tv channels and media generally have been silent about this. But I want you to listen to the ones that actually take the situation seriously. They interview the youth, the elder, the various parties, the women. People from KNC, people from PYD. Heck, they even interview Assyrians, Yezidis and Christians. And all of them have one message ''Re open the border''. Now, they are not blaming or naming any names who are responsible for the clossure of the borders. They have every reason to be angry at Barzani and KRG but despite of this, despite of the hunger and humanitarian disaster they have put upon the Rojavayi people, they are NOT BLAMING anyone. We all know that KRG wants to punish the people for not putting pressure on PYD. We all know KRG wants to punish the people for choosing PYD. Barzani has to learn that this is Rojava, not Bashur. He can not force his ideas upon people. People are free to choose and they have chosen PYD. They have chosen the ones who decided to stay and fight in Serekani and not the ones who took their chances and fled to Hewler.

But again, despite the fact that the people should just storm the Bashuri-Rojava border and put human pressure on KRG, they are doing this in a civil way. Not cursing at anybody, not swearing at anybody, not accusing anybody, not blaming anybody, not making a ''smear campaign'' out of it. How can it be a smearing campaign of there is no one to blame? You people are out of your minds if you believe that people from all segments of Rojava would lie about how they starve and are in need of elementary daily needs in order to ''make a smear campaign against anyone''. But then again, I did not expect anything else from anyone who are willing to go very far in order to defend their lovely KRG/Barzani system even when they put a miserable situation upon their own people.

Now, I am blaming KRG and Barzani even with my stomach full and in no need of anything. I am sick of their policies. And I have every right to. And the people of Rojava have 100 times more the right to blame them. But yet they have the sabir, the patience, to actually propose it in a civil way because they believe that is the best way to reunite Kurds and make us one again instead of two as we are at the moment.

So, if you want to close your eyes, and keep on with your apoligist policies in order to save the (i)moral face of KRG, go on. But do not come barking like dogs and say '' Look at PYD. Look at PKK. They are destroying birati, they are destroying unity and yekiti'' once the Rojava people will make a desperate attempt to open the border. House of Apo is not weak. It will resist, it will endure hunger and the lack of basic needs, but every man has a sinor, every human being has a limit.

PS: I know that your answers will be all sorts blaming against PYD and '' how bad they have managed the situation bla bla bla''. But it is not PYD who is starving the Kurdish people. It is KRG. It is KRG who has closed the border, not PYD. No matter how hard you try to blame PYD, it will never justify KRG closing the border and putting un necesary pressure on the people who are already being attacked from 10 sides.

Qonyeyi wrote:Ok, ''all-so-clever-Talsor''. I want you to watch the interviews with the numerous of youths on any Kurdish tv channel. The TV channel i pointed to is just one of them. Of course, most of Bashuri tv channels and media generally have been silent about this. But I want you to listen to the ones that actually take the situation seriously. They interview the youth, the elder, the various parties, the women. People from KNC, people from PYD. Heck, they even interview Assyrians, Yezidis and Christians. And all of them have one message ''Re open the border''. Now, they are not blaming or naming any names who are responsible for the clossure of the borders.

Kekê min
The media is deceiving and hardly protray the reality on the ground . I will try to simplified it for you . Take a camera and go to Sêger or Qamisho in Western kurdistan and ask an old man or woman or anybody this question .

KRG has closed the boarder and refusing to provide any type of humanitarian help to Kurds in Western Kurdistan , so what is your reaction to that ? You will certainly hear what you want them to say

I'm not Anti PYD or PKk and feel free to check my posts for the last 4 years , but what PYD is doing now by siding with Goran and maliki against krg is wrong and betrayal of Kurdishness . maintaing the unity of flag and cause is the most important aspect of our struggle and PYD is completly out of line with raising PKK's version of Kurdish flag and turning western Kurdistan to Apostan . No kurd will accept that and the international community will give turkey the green light to do whatever they please in Western kurdistan if PYD continue these policies .
PYD's taxes of humanitarian assistant is wrong
PYD's Iron fist policy towards Kurds who do not support Apostan is wrong .
PYD not raising kurdish flag is wrong
PYD's visit to Baghdad is wrong
PYD's meeting with Goran is wrong . Goran refused to meet them or any political party from western Kurdistan until the recent crisis . Kurds heval are divided once again and it goes like this

Syria (asad ) +Maliki +Goran + PUK+ PYD+ Iran on one side and on the other side you got PDK + KNC+Turkey +international community on the other side . PYD's goal of turning western Kurdistan to Apostan at all costs is not going to work and will only lead to bloodshed of our youth ....I could go on , but what is the point .

Qonyeyi wrote:They have every reason to be angry at Barzani and KRG but despite of this, despite of the hunger and humanitarian disaster they have put upon the Rojavayi people, they are NOT BLAMING anyone. We all know that KRG wants to punish the people for not putting pressure on PYD. We all know KRG wants to punish the people for choosing PYD. Barzani has to learn that this is Rojava, not Bashur. He can not force his ideas upon people. People are free to choose and they have chosen PYD. They have chosen the ones who decided to stay and fight in Serekani and not the ones who took their chances and fled to Hewler.

PYD and their leadership are very very very short sighted . They can not see further than their nose . The moment KRG raised the issue of Taxes that PYD is imposing on humanitarian assistant , Muslim was in Baghdad the next day meeting Almaliki who never stooped threatening Southern Kurdistan .In a sense PYD's message to Barzani was "If you do not let us do what we please we will work against you " which is pathetic to say the least . Barzani could not care less what political party control Western Kurdistan as long as their goal is Kurds and Kurdistan , as long as they raise Kurdistan flag , as long as they care about the people . But PYD sadly does not give a damn about people or the future of Western Kurdistan . They are like Apoci gangs in the west who impose Ocalan's book , CD, pictures, Tapes in every single occasion even art exhibitions and when you ask them politly to leave because this is not the place for Ocalan , they say exactly what you say . "You are afraid of Kurds following PKK

Qonyeyi wrote:But again, despite the fact that the people should just storm the Bashuri-Rojava border and put human pressure on KRG, they are doing this in a civil way. Not cursing at anybody, not swearing at anybody, not accusing anybody, not blaming anybody, not making a ''smear campaign'' out of it.

are you sure ? there are many more on youtube , but make sure to watch it until the end .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7qXgL1ArEs

Qonyeyi wrote:How can it be a smearing campaign of there is no one to blame? You people are out of your minds if you believe that people from all segments of Rojava would lie about how they starve and are in need of elementary daily needs in order to ''make a smear campaign against anyone''. But then again, I did not expect anything else from anyone who are willing to go very far in order to defend their lovely KRG/Barzani system even when they put a miserable situation upon their own people.
Now, I am blaming KRG and Barzani even with my stomach full and in no need of anything. I am sick of their policies. And I have every right to. And the people of Rojava have 100 times more the right to blame them. But yet they have the sabir, the patience, to actually propose it in a civil way because they believe that is the best way to reunite Kurds and make us one again instead of two as we are at the moment.

Our loyalty to should be to Kurds and Kurdistan not to political parties .Your Ideal solution is to let PYD do whatever they please in western Kurdistan and that is not going to happen . The boarder of Southern Kurdistan is wide open to our brothers and sisters of Western kurdistan unlike what PYD is claiming through their smear campaign . Western Kurdistan belong to all kurds not only those who support PKK and PYD .

Qonyeyi wrote:So, if you want to close your eyes, and keep on with your apoligist policies in order to save the (i)moral face of KRG, go on. But do not come barking like dogs and say '' Look at PYD. Look at PKK. They are destroying birati, they are destroying unity and yekiti'' once the Rojava people will make a desperate attempt to open the border. House of Apo is not weak. It will resist, it will endure hunger and the lack of basic needs, but every man has a sinor, every human being has a limit.

I would never close my eyes to the suffering of our people whether on the hand of our enmeies or on our own hand . What PYD is doing is wrong and they do not care about people . They only use our people's suffering to achieve their political agenda of Apostan . All attempt by all political parties in southern Kurdistan to make PKK withdraw their troops from southern Kurdistan after the fall of Saddam regime failed . Turkey at the time closed their boarder and people were starving , but they did not have the decency to withdraw to qandil until they were driven out by force . You and your kind cry humanity but you lack it yourself , so how can you understand it .

Qonyeyi wrote:PS: I know that your answers will be all sorts blaming against PYD and '' how bad they have managed the situation bla bla bla''. But it is not PYD who is starving the Kurdish people. It is KRG. It is KRG who has closed the border, not PYD. No matter how hard you try to blame PYD, it will never justify KRG closing the border and putting un necesary pressure on the people who are already being attacked from 10 sides.

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I will only tell you this my friend . Western Kurdistan's destruction will come on the hand of PYD if they do not wise up .The only grantee for peace in western Kurdistan is KRG . When the dust settles in Syria , the barrels of guns will turn to PYD from turkey and Syria and with PYD monopolizing the region there is nothing KRG could do .

As I had foreseen - one big blaming campaign against PYD. Open your eyes haval. The ones destroying Rojava are not the ones who are inside it and protecting it. It is those standing from the outside and neglecting their own people. You still deny that the border is closed... That is really off record for me.

I hope they will show the interviews from yesterday with the various youth organisations. The message was clear: Open the border. No smearing campaign as you portray.

I am out.

Your propaganda against the KRG failed, even non Kurdish media like Al Jazeera reported that the border is open and that the people cross it every day to bring goods, food, petrol and gas from Bashur to Rojava.

Border is open: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb-V-WGGFyI

Rojava refugees cross every day the border to Bashur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_gnfGAn4hk

Qonyeyi wrote:As I had foreseen - one big blaming campaign against PYD. Open your eyes haval. The ones destroying Rojava are not the ones who are inside it and protecting it. It is those standing from the outside and neglecting their own people. You still deny that the border is closed... That is really off record for me.

I hope they will show the interviews from yesterday with the various youth organisations. The message was clear: Open the border. No smearing campaign as you portray.

I am out.

I have never seen such a thickheaded person as you, while I am posting clear photos and messages that the border PYD claims as "KRG border" is in fact not the KRG border but the border with Central Government, you again start to talk about a closed border. NOT A SINGLE TIME have I seen you going into Talsors arguments. You are repeating the same nonsense over and over again like a broken recorder. Open your eyes, I am the last who gives a fu.. about political parties or who runs West Kurdistan but even after PYD refused the allegations about them, about taking taxes from poor people and later confessed that they do. You still talk like everything we say about PYD is propaganda. While I haven't seen even one time propaganda from KRGs side towards PYD, the opposite is happening.


If Kurds in Western Kurdistan fail because of PYDs mistakes this will take all legitimacy from them for the Kurdish struggle in other areas. And this is not only my view.



Instead of working out the unity, what I see is PYD constantly trying to do its own thing. KRG is the glue holding together the two fractions in West Kurdistan and not making Propaganda for the sake of one party. If KRG wanted they could stop the aid and PYD would stay with their back against the wall from all three directions, but they aren't for the sake of the Western Kurdistanis.


And I don't believe they will fall into the trap of civil war again.





Making wrong accusations about each other won't bring us forward. We need to fade out our political ideologies and concentrate on Western Kurdistan only.

Making wrong accusations about each other won't bring us forward. We need to fade out our political ideologies and concentrate on Western Kurdistan only.

Absolutely I am tired of all these accusations and counter accusations the important thing is that peoples lives are at stake. Innocent Kurdish people whose grandparents were sitting relaxing on their traditional homeland when some idiot decided to divide the land and ignore all the people who lived there. These people have NOT committed any crime other than to be born Kurdish.

Let us have well founded information, positive ideas, constructive criticism, and remember that while everyone is arguing innocent people are dying

One People One Nation One Struggle One Kurdistan