Roj Bash Kurdistan

ISTANBUL, Feb. 25 — Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Monday that Turkey will not allow a separate entity in northern Syria, amid reports that Arabs and Kurds have recently signed a deal to jointly rule territories on the Turkish border.

The prime minister told Turkish media in plane en route from UAE to Ankara that the integrity of Syria is “very very important” for Turkey and that Ankara does not want to see problems in Syria similar to northern Iraq.

Today’s Zaman quoted Erdogan as saying that Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and Turkey are against the division of Syria and that “we will not allow — God willing — such a situation to emerge.”

Any autonomous entity in northern Syria will damage the country ‘s integrity, he noted, adding that Ankara will not allow any development that brings about this change.

Erdogan said the Syrian border with Turkey is not completely controlled by Kurdish militants linked to the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK). There are areas where Arabs, Turkmen and Kurds who do not affiliate themselves with the Kurdish militants control the border area, and this situation creates significant challenges for Turkey, he said.

Aslan wrote:ISTANBUL, Feb. 25 — Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Monday that Turkey will not allow a separate entity in northern Syria, amid reports that Arabs and Kurds have recently signed a deal to jointly rule territories on the Turkish border.

The prime minister told Turkish media in plane en route from UAE to Ankara that the integrity of Syria is “very very important” for Turkey and that Ankara does not want to see problems in Syria similar to northern Iraq.

Exactly what problems are those. Kurdistan seems to be doing very well. So well in fact that a lot of people from southern Iraq want to live there

Aslan wrote:Today’s Zaman quoted Erdogan as saying that Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and Turkey are against the division of Syria and that “we will not allow — God willing — such a situation to emerge.”

erDOGan obviously does NOT want Kurds in WK to control their own oil and become as independent as Kurds in SK

Aslan wrote:Any autonomous entity in northern Syria will damage the country ‘s integrity, he noted, adding that Ankara will not allow any development that brings about this change.

Also means that there is NO WAY Turkey is going to give Kurds in NK any freedom what-so-ever, and most certainly is NOT going to allow Kurds control of their own oil

Aslan wrote:Erdogan said the Syrian border with Turkey is not completely controlled by Kurdish militants linked to the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK). There are areas where Arabs, Turkmen and Kurds who do not affiliate themselves with the Kurdish militants control the border area, and this situation creates significant challenges for Turkey, he said.

erDOGan keeps making it obvious that he does NOT want Kurds to control their own lives

PLEASE would someone explain to me exactly WHY some Kurdish leaders are betraying their people and selling out to fooking erDOGan

would someone explain to me exactly WHY some Kurdish leaders are betraying their people and selling out to fooking erDOGan - anthea


moi - cuz they suck and r greedy people who just want money lol me think kurdish leaders need to step down and put people in position who actually do something useful by leaders i mean every single one from all parts of kurdistan and yes even barzani -.- clearly declaring independence isnt important cuz he would have done it by now and stop saying "its the kurds right" cuz clearly that isnt getting us no where lol i should be a leader, let me take barzanis place ehh

Whats wrong with you guys? Why are you attacking the Kurdish leaders and Kurds in NK for what the Turkish PM said?

HZKurdi wrote:Whats wrong with you guys? Why are you attacking the Kurdish leaders and Kurds in NK for what the Turkish PM said?

we r just saying what we feel and think

Good answer

The Arab countries mentioned are worried about a Aliwite state and not a Sunni Kurdish entity, Turkey is worried about both and is not happy with the FSA and PYD cooperating. In the end, Turkey will be the odd man out and then there hand will be forced to give in to the Kurds in Nk just like they did in SK. If it was not for the Sunni Kurds in SK, Iraq would be completely dominated by Iran, the leaders of the Shiite cresent ( Iraq Shiite, shiite Hizballah in Lebanon, and the Aliwite in Syrian). Why do you guys think that Hashimi was able to hide out in SK for a couple of months?

Points:

1) Kurds in NK really need to learn their history and all the terrible things different Turkish regimes have done to them including
a. Forced deportations - thousands died
b. Forced Turkeyfying and assimilation
c. Destruction of towns, villages and deforestation of land
d. Kidnapping, arrest, imprisonment, torture, murder and dumping of bodies in mass graves including on rubbish tips
e. Burning alive of women and children
f. The banning of every single Kurdish political party up until BDP, possibly because Turkey has some control over it

2) Kurds need to look at current events including:
a. Many indigenous people now have land rights
b. Since the break-up of the Eastern Block many Independent countries have been formed
c. PKK has called cease-fires many times but Turkey has NEVER been supportive
d. Money from natural resources such as oil has gone directly into the Turkish coffers
e. erDOGan wants to be President
f. Turkey is STILL bombing Kandil
g. Turkish military is STILL carrying out operations against Kurds
h. erDOGan has just stated he will not to allow separate entity in northern Syria
i. From the above statement one can only conclude that erDOGan has NO intention to allow Kurds to become a separate entity in Eastern Turkey

3) Kurdish leadership:
a. I do not believe that Ocalan is entirely aware of the rights and freedoms other indigenous people have been obtaining WORLDWIDE
b. I do NOT believe that the BDP have the best interests of the Kurdish people at heart
c. The freedom fighters of the PKK gave up everything to fight and die so that others could live in a FREE KURDISTAN
d. I feel that all those who have died are being betrayed
e. I am disgusted that it is being suggested all PKK members must leave NK, this is their home, the place they were willing to die for

There is a much longer list

Yeah, heard all that before. But what does that have to do with the discussion at hand? You keep telling us the same stuff over and over again, and I do not see any sense behind it, whats your point anyway?

No offence to anyone, but some people really do not know that much about the Middle East as they like to think, its too complex. I'm not trying to be rude or anything but I am sick of seeing people write stuff that they do not really understand. If you want to be an expert on Kurds, then you should first understand the region that they are from, and talking to a couple of people here and there and reading a few books, or eating at a few Kabob shops is not going to cut it.

The the discussion at hand is about the FACT that erDOGan stated he would not allow a separate entity in Northern Syria.

At the same time he is supposedly holding peace talks with Kurds in Turkey. He statement with regards to Northern Syria can only casts doubts on his willingness to grant Kurds inside Turkey anything but the mere basics he can get away with. It leaves little or no hope that he will grant Kurds any for of independence or self rule

I do not know about you but I have had friends who have joined the PKK to fight for a Free Kurdistan and I am disgusted by the disrespectful way so-called leaders are selling them out

I will say it a MILLION times. The fighters gave up everything to fight for a free Kurdistan NOBODY has the right to betray them for a few crumbs from the Turkish table

I see your point, but remember what Turkey used to say about the KRG, and look at what is happening there. This has more to do with the regional polarization (Sunni vs Shiite) and less to do with Turkeys worries about the Kurds. Sure, Turkey does not want to see the Kurds getting any stronger, but that is out of its control. And in Syria, just like Iraq, the Kurds will be the deciding factor. This is history repeating itself, like the Battle if Chaldiran.

And regarding the leaders, how are they selling there people out by agreeing to talk? What do you want them to do, tell the 20 million or so civilians to go and commit suicide? Not all conflicts can be solved by fighting.

HZKurdi wrote:And regarding the leaders, how are they selling there people out by agreeing to talk? What do you want them to do, tell the 20 million or so civilians to go and commit suicide? Not all conflicts can be solved by fighting.

If Ocalan makes the Kurds give in to all Turkey's demands, he betraying all those who have died.

If you have read my posts you will know that I believe Ocalan has either been brainwashed or physically replaced. I believe that to be the reason his lawyers have been forbidden to see him for 18 months. Either way, the Ocalan involved in these talks is not the same person I respected and who gave Kurds the hopes and dreams of freedom. Rather like someone waving a bar of chocolate in front of me in order to get me to do something, and then taking the chocolate away

If Kurds give up on their dreams of freedom they might as well be committing suicide. Though they will NOT be committing it for themselves, they will be committing suicide for all the Kurds yet to be born in Turkey. They will be committing the murder of Kurdistan.

In a couple of generations there will be NO Kurds in Turkey only TURKS. Turkey will still be controlling the wealth of NK. Worst of all, the future generations of, what should have been Kurds, will wonder why their parents and grandparents allowed them to become TURKS when all around them Kurds will be living proudly in West, South and probably East Kurdistan.

Nobody should ever negotiate from a position of weakness. The main strength of the Kurds is in their vast numbers NOT in their weapons. Also the PKK has a well developed worldwide network that could well involve itself in more peaceful activities and protests.

I am a pacifist, I do NOT believe in killing anything or anyone, I will not even kill a spider. There are other ways. Ghandi found other ways

Asking the PKK fighters to give up on everything they have fought for (and friends have died for), and leave forever the country that they were prepared to die for is wrong on so many levels. The fighters of the PKK deserve RESPECT