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American Students were shocked of DNA race test !

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:08 pm
Author: dyaoko
DNA workshop upends notion of race for many
Students learn true genetic heritage and debunk family tales

Ever wondered who your ancestors really are? Or, more importantly, are you really from the background that you think you're from?

On Saturday, 65 people got some surprising answers using the latest DNA technology at a workshop at the College of Alameda.

Each participant gave a DNA sample -- a swab of saliva -- at an April 1 class. Their DNA was compared to a database of DNA from four bio-geographical population groups -- sub-Saharan African, European, East Asian and Native American -- to yield a percentage breakdown of ancestry.

Everyone learned his breakdown on Saturday -- there were many stunned looks and dropped jaws when participants received the breakdown on a printout, along with a CD with more information.

"How on earth am I 10 percent East Asian?" asked Doris Kogo of Fairfield, who also tested as 63 percent African, 26 percent European and 1 percent Native American. "I was married to a Filipino and I love Chinese food. This makes no sense, but I'm looking at the proof."

The class was taught by Nathan Strong, an anthropology professor at the College of Alameda. The premise is that by testing DNA for certain mutations or markers that occur only in certain regional subgroups, you can find the origin of someone's ancestors.

The participants at Saturday's class came from as far as Sacramento. Many of the people interviewed in April said they grew interested after reading an article on ancestral genetic testing or seeing one of several recent TV programs, including one in February in which Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates tested the DNA of prominent African Americans such as Oprah Winfrey, Whoopi Goldberg, Quincy Jones and Chris Rock.

Genetic testing has become more common among genealogy hobbyists, with several companies offering services that can delineate where your ancestors might have come from.

"I want to find out if there are any skeletons in my family's closet," Ellen Hales said in April. It turned out on Saturday that there were no surprises for the Alameda resident -- she is 99 percent European.

But her husband, Jim Davis, was one of several stunned people who took the test and learned that those family stories about an American Indian ancestor appear to be myths.

"My father always made a big deal out of saying my grandmother was 100 percent Fox Indian," said Davis, who tested as 96 percent European, 3 percent African and 1 percent Native American. "Well, it turns out that isn't true. Not at all."

Karen Hill, who tested 80 percent African and 20 percent European, expressed similar sentiments.

"I'm shocked that I'm not Indian at all, not even 1 percent," said Hill of Oakland. "I was also told my great-great-grandfather was Creek Indian."

But Hill added that after two three-hour sessions and some supplemental reading, her perspective on race has totally changed.

"It's a real paradigm shift," Hill said. "I will never look at race in the same way."

Strong, like most people in the field, insists that race and racial differences are a social construct that is not backed up by genetics -- rather, the field of genetics shows that under the skin, we're more closely related than we ever imagined.

Strong's work is based on the labors of numerous researchers, including a book by Spencer Wells, author of "The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey" and host of a companion series that the class saw a segment of in April.

Wells traced genetic markers to show exactly how the first known humans migrated from southern Africa and spread around the world. His work also showed how certain genetic markers are carried for thousands of years and how they can be used to show when one group split from another. Genetic markers indicate that the ancestors of early Europeans actually migrated from the Central Asian steppe instead of coming directly from Africa into Southern Europe. Wells is currently involved with National Geographic in an effort to create a comprehensive database of genetic history.

Several blue-eyed people in Strong's class learned they were part African and/or East Asian, while several black people mused about their European and East Asian roots.

But Strong said that many people have been traumatized by learning that they were part something they never imagined.

"Some people have had psychoanalysis because their identity was called into question," Strong said.

Although Strong has not yet had anyone that troubled by his DNA results, he has seen his share of surprises.

So far, he has tested 546 people and asked them to write down how they identify themselves in terms of race.

"Of 133 people who identified as African or African American, 130 actually had those markers," said Strong, who is African American. "That means three people identify as African American who have no markers. That has caused a bit of an identity crisis."
DNA test

For more information on the ancestral DNA test and the next class, see Nathan Strong's Web site: http://www.geocities.com/drnstrong/

E-mail Jim Zamora at mailto:jzamora@sfchronicle.com.

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do you think one day we can have the same tests for Kurdish race?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:06 pm
Author: Piling
It would be nice to have the same test for all the ME ppl or Europe, such mixed continents...

"Some people have had psychoanalysis because their identity was called into question," Strong said.


LOL !

Could you imagine if Tom learn that he is not 100% Britton ? :wink:

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:17 pm
Author: dyaoko
or imagine many of thoese nationalist turks who find out they are More kurd by blood than Turk.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:25 pm
Author: Piling
SUICIDE ! :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:45 am
Author: missIndependent
n what if we do the test n some of us find out that we aint kurd at all :? :|














:roll: i still be a kurd!
:P

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:00 am
Author: tomjez
Could you imagine if Tom learn that he is not 100% Britton ? Wink


I'm 75 %, my mother's mother is french. And OK I would be chocked if I learn I'm not 75 % :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:30 pm
Author: Tirigan
Where can I test my DNA for free. I live in Holland. I think I’m 100% Kurdish by the way. :twisted:

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:33 pm
Author: Piling
I think I’m 100% Kurdish by the way. Twisted Evil


May be, may be not.... :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:38 pm
Author: Vladimir
Piling wrote:SUICIDE ! :lol:
Ziya Gokalp, already killed himself because he was a Kurd. Can you imagine.. he is the founder of Turkish nationalism. What would all Turks do then? :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:11 pm
Author: Tirigan
Piling wrote:May be, may be not.... :lol:

Let me say this. I don’t know what happened to my ancestors and who they married, let say, 1000 years ago.
I know that I’m at least for 6-7 generation clean (Kurdish) on both sides (mothers/fathers).
Both of my grandfathers (and grandmothers) knew their great-great-great-etc. fathers. And according them all of them were pure Yezidi Kurds. 8)

Maybe you have noticed, but I’m very proud of it!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:51 pm
Author: tomjez
And according them all of them were pure Yezidi Kurds


Some arabic tribes joined the yezidis in the XVIth century and kurdified... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:06 pm
Author: Tirigan
Proof please! How much people. 10 men? 100 men? 1000 men? Maybe 1 million men? When? Where? Which region? I want to know exact dates, places, names etc. How could they ever join Yezidi Kurds in Northern Kurdistan. Almost all of my ancestors are from northern parts of Kurdistan. How it’s possible that Kurds in the south permitted them without any harm to go to north Kurdistan and join Yezidi Kurdish tribes in North. Why Yezidi Kurds have accepted them. Why Arabic nomads wanted to convert to ARYAN religion. Why do you think that what is not possible today, was possible 1000 years ago.

No Arab can become a Yezidi nowadays. And no Arab could become Yezidi 1000 years ago. To be an Yezidi, both of your parents must be Yezidi Kurds, don’t forget that.

I’m so sick about such a lies which are circulating on internet.

I want to read neutral scientifically proven fact and not just some assumptions and speculations. :twisted:

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:06 pm
Author: Tirigan
tomjez wrote:Some arabic tribes joined the yezidis in the XVIth century and kurdified... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Which region? And how much Arabs? :lol: :lol: :lol:

PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:54 am
Author: Piling
Jazirah and Sinjar region and around Mosul. Most tribes were mixed in that area. The most important at this time was not "pure blood" for Kurds but politcal alliance and religion.

We could probably suppose that many Aramean or syriac and Kurds were married each other, and Jews too in Northern Mesopotamia.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:54 am
Author: missIndependent
We could probably suppose that many Aramean or syriac and Kurds were married each other, and Jews too in Northern Mesopotamia.


and how bout all the jewish ppl in eastern kurdistan long time ago?
my grandmother(mother's side) was jewish but was married to my grand dad, but according to jewish facts, that still makes my mom jewish(geneticlly) n then that makes me jewish too!

so, talking bout the blood n DNA, what would be mine look like?
my dad is pure kurdish i am sure cuz my grandfather n great grandfather n great great grandfather n god knows how many generation b4 em were living in sablaxi area =)

btw, one Q,
how many of u seeing jewish as a race n ethnic beside just a religion? cuz im sure some ppl dont! :?