The "STAN" in KURDISTAN and "FELASTAN"

[Heja]

istan isnt tukish at all,
kurds and persians never been Enemy in the ancient history but Ofcourse they have commepteed with each other as two contestor.

Really?!!! Good News! Why didn't know that so far!

I am amazed how Medya is trying hard to sell the bankrupt ideas of racist pan-iranians to poor fellow kurds.

We have never been enemy? Come on, How is take a quick look at the history:

1) 1946 Republic of Mehabad ( We were such good freinds that Shah ordered execution of Qazi muhammad just for friendship!!! )

2) 1900-1920 Simko Rebellions ( Reza Shah Loved kurds, so he murdered simko!!!)

3) 1850s Destruction of Kurdish autonomous regions (Emaret) such as Mukriyan, Erdelan and Goran. (Qajars were so proud of kurds, eliminated their trace!)

4) 1600-1700 Deportation of hunderds of thousands of kurds from kurdistan to Khorasan, Gilan, Khalkhal, Mazandaran, ... during therule of Safavids (Dear Shah Abbass!!!)

5) Ancient times? It is obvious that persians defeated us in a power struggle and made us slaves for 1500 years after Kourosh. He was himself kurdish but after him the power was taken away from kurds.

Dear friend, you have to distinguish friend from foe, even if the foe pretends to be friend. Drop the nonsense pan-persian propaganda. Stick to the conceret facts, and unfortuantely the fact is persians have persecuted us for centuries. We are like Habil and Qabil. An enemy that guises himself under the cover of brotherhood.

[Delal]

Excellent reference to Rowan A. there! Any day when you can fit that skit into conversation is a great day...

Back to the "stan" thing...I have 2 funny things to do with a "stan". One is at my office we received a copy of "the glorious light of the Koran" which in itself is not funny but the typos that are there are...forget Satan, we are supposed to beware of Stan.
And the second thing is....Kazakstan translates into "land of the sweaters" in Turkish....oh that just slays me...

[Diri]

I knew that


Now if you are that good - tell me what Özbekistan means? And Azerbaijan?

[ellinas]

about names. as well the translate.

lets look PALESTINE. is hellenic (greek) we say PALESTINI cuz the i at end sounds like e when you listen by english so we got the PALESTINE. by this can possible "i make something old". i can think about that meaning that cuz one christians one muslims in area, after the Hellenistic Empire rights of Freedom nations under 1 stage, we call it Palestine.

About the "stan". When all is under Persian rule, is the PERSIA and include like regions, most of have names who end in "stan". after all romans change the names to hellenistic names like Mesopotamia who exacly means in the middle of rivers. the rule at that years is under the romans (today italians) after 350 AD when hellenic people make big power at east be the eastern roman empire, that one hellenistic empire. in that years we back again to an already use idea like:

As early as the 5th century BCE, Isocrates, after speaking of common origin and worship, says: "the name Hellenes suggests no longer a race but an intelligence, and... the title Hellenes is applied rather to those who share our culture than to those who share a common blood".

thats how we change the names back to persian original names as is before. and thats how exist till today.

remember that till 1450 all nations live into hellenistic empire are so many as,muslims and christians. every nation is free. Just we stage all to one name for the reason that we kick out any attack of barbarians. after all we have many battles over minor asia and middle east base with arabs and mongol turks. do you think that kurdish and all other nations NOT war for the hellenistic empire? by that battles all be one sword to kick out barbarians. remember that all nations into that years have countries but greece not. they control the peace of hellenistic empire and leave the greek base land without name like other nations into empire. i see many saw that hellenistic empire is absolutly CHRISTIAN. as well into empire live all (muslim-christians) peacefull together. The reason: Constantinople stay at the way of CHRISTIANS. cuz army is hellenic. only with something different we can abuse the barbarians (base arabs). Cuz if we say nothing as religion, then army will be lose every fight cuz as always we are so few.

i start from names and i go here loolll hehe... dunno why, but in every topic i have so many to write as at end i make a mix :-p sorry hehe.

always my posts is from another side. is good to talk about other sides. i like to see at all something. and not only by my side. lets make open minds.

[Diri]

About the "stan". When all is under Persian rule, is the PERSIA and include like regions, most of have names who end in "stan".

It wasn't PERSIA... It was MEDYA---->AKA Kurdistan... We called them "stan" not the Persians... They didn't get power before CYRUS... And EVEN CYRUS WAS HALF KURD...

Medya was the first large Arian Empire... It covered all the are between Hellas and China...
Here is a map:

[ellinas]

as well ic. but dunno excacly how come. but i think comming by persians.

cuz kurdistan "stole from kurds" or land of kurds"
falestan "stole from christians" or land of christians"
so the falestan tell me that stan means stole (taken).

so many -stan be under Persians.

this is another way right?
( i hope to understand what i mean ).

[Diri]

Stan means "take" - and it also means "land" - we have many words in Kurdish with "stan" in daily use:

Garden - Bostan
Graveyard - Qebirstan


And there are more - but it's late - 02.36 - I can't think so clearly now...

What I said was - The land you see in that map is called "Media" - It was the first Empire to cover such large areas-----> The Persians didn't have an Empire before Media was destroyed... Cyrus was the first Persian King - and his mother was Kurdish... Media was destroyed in ca 555 BC... But before it did it gave names with "stan" to many places...

[Diri]

GOD! how many stupid things we all talked about 1 year ago! Hahahaha


Ps - I do not stand for what I've said back then...

"Stan" means "Land"/"Ground"/"Place"... And there is a shorter version of the "Stan" suffix too - wich in most cases means the same as the Stan-suffix... It is the "An" suffix... More precisely means: "Land of the..." in cases like names of geographical areas...

Stan-suffix:
Daristan = Forrest
Dibistan = School
Gulistan = Flower "place" (Garden?)
Bostan = Vegetable "place" (Garden?)
Qebirstan = Graveyard
Kuwestan = Mountains


An-suffix:
Zozan = Highlands
Goran = Name of region
Barzan = Name of region
Soran = Name of region


Just wanted to update my funny post...

[Diri]

as well ic. but dunno excacly how come. but i think comming by persians.

cuz kurdistan "stole from kurds" or land of kurds"
falestan "stole from christians" or land of christians"
so the falestan tell me that stan means stole (taken).

so many -stan be under Persians.

this is another way right?
( i hope to understand what i mean ).

Maybe you are right... That since those lands were taken by the Persians for a long time - and we were all under Persian dominian for some while... They introduced the "Stan" suffix? Maybe? Who knows... Only sure thing is that the "Stan"-suffix is Aryan and that it is a rather new phenomenon... Since back then at the time of Alexander the Great - in no official documents was the "Stan" suffic used...

The suffix "ia" was common at the time however... Some Aryan places with the "ia" ending:

Bactria
Scythia
Media
Persia


And a dozen more...

[Binyamin]

It was long time ago since I posted some thing here, but I could not help it how young educated people like you trying to justify a scientific view of STAN by folk-etymology adjustment. Words has always travelled and made new home between different culture. Consider the word Mice, Sheqall, Mother and so on. These are the words that archilogist and linguists pioneers used to chart the languages of the world. They considered the Indo-European languages and Turko-Mongolian one. What you trying to do here to explain why Turkmenistan and Mogolistan are called so. Here the history of 2000 years involved when this or that were world empires and they called and recalled things which was suite to them. Now the suffix stan and word Stan has got home in Sweden as Stad, in Parsi as Ustan and in English as Settled. We say Yaristan, Tawistan, Zimistan, Kurdistan, Pakistan, ... it is the land of what it comes with it. You can discuss this in years but the word is an Indo-Iranian word and may as well find its version in Africa. The Kurds does not need to explain the root of Stan to have the right to to exist. We are who we are and we are settled were we are today. We do not need to make home, we are in our land and out home. Good Luck

[Diri]

It was long time ago since I posted some thing here, but I could not help it how young educated people like you trying to justify a scientific view of STAN by folk-etymology adjustment. Words has always travelled and made new home between different culture. Consider the word Mice, Sheqall, Mother and so on. These are the words that archilogist and linguists pioneers used to chart the languages of the world. They considered the Indo-European languages and Turko-Mongolian one. What you trying to do here to explain why Turkmenistan and Mogolistan are called so. Here the history of 2000 years involved when this or that were world empires and they called and recalled things which was suite to them. Now the suffix stan and word Stan has got home in Sweden as Stad, in Parsi as Ustan and in English as Settled. We say Yaristan, Tawistan, Zimistan, Kurdistan, Pakistan, ... it is the land of what it comes with it. You can discuss this in years but the word is an Indo-Iranian word and may as well find its version in Africa. The Kurds does not need to explain the root of Stan to have the right to to exist. We are who we are and we are settled were we are today. We do not need to make home, we are in our land and out home. Good Luck

Silaw Binyamin...

I guess you'll disappear again...

But just wanted to ask you to read all posts before making such statements... I am not trying to do anything... Not trying to explain why Turkmenistan is Turkmenistan... And no - it's Mongolia - not Mongolistan... Anyway...
Like I said... Stan and Ustan are Aryan words...

Stad is a Germanic word... Just like Settle...

Whatever... Not realy interested in discussing these matters now - just wanted to correct my old post - because what I said in that old post was totally OFF...