I NEED YOUR HELP SISTERS

[Kulka]

kak Aram - if you are no more busy with your study, can you help me with language, coz seems like my so called "friend" kak Eman is no more interested, i think its the problem of my age - i am too old to be worth to help. or maybe my religion is problem. but whatever i still believe there are true Kurds (not "iranians", "iraqi Kurds". "Kurds of turkya"... just Kurds from Kurdistan) - till now seems like you are one of them, kak Aram, thats makes me very glad.

[kurdangel]

Dear Kulka,
I owe you an apology, i had to go abroad urgently.. didnt have time to help you,, im reallyy sorry
i wasnt ignoring you.. but i see that someone already helped you..
im sorry again.. :$

[Kulka]

ok, dear sister, i understand, i just didnt know what happened, hope your trip was ok and you are still welcome to join the topic

[Emanoelkurdistani]

... coz seems like my so called "friend" kak Eman is no more interested ....

I am really sorry for the delay took place in our proceeding. I aint no uninterested-and wont be ever-in such topics, specially when it is supposed to assist a friend (like you) with it I will catch up by tomorrow moja siostra

[Kulka]

basha brakam - (.... always problems with younger brothers..... )[-( - i am waiying for all of you here - God bless you.

[Emanoelkurdistani]

hello, seems like good weather again, so i first do my study, then i will do other things.

By the way there is another crucial point. All transitive verbs can also serve as intransitive verbs. For example sometimes "you see me" and sometimes "you see" only. In this case, which is very easier than transitive one, you just need to attach the subject pronouns to the end of verb (since there are no more objects):

من دیتم : I saw

تۆ دیتت : you saw

ئه و دیتی : s/he saw

دیتمان : we saw

دیتتان : you saw

دیتیان : they saw

thats clear, but as i see its still working like transitive with ( مان، تان، یان ).

it was past tense - how it works for future/present, coz seem like the same for both دیتن بینین . is it?

Back to our study, here we are again:

Yes Kulka the intransitive usage is always easier than transitive one in our language. But do not forget that the pronouns do not differ, just their usage becomes easier. Namely in this case you will not find bewildering diversities (like "dít-man-yan" ~ "dít-yan-man") any more. And certainly it is supposed to be good news for a language learner. Only remember that in transitive verbs both transitive and intransitive pronouns are exactly the same just their usages differ.

من دیتم : I saw

تۆ دیتت : you saw

ئه و دیتی : s/he saw

دیتمان : we saw

دیتتان : you saw

دیتیان : they saw

Regarding to the present and future tenses the situations gets easier in case of pronouns. There is only a set of them for all verbs in future/present and progressive tenses:

first person sing. : -im : -م
second person sing. : -í / -ít [/b ]: -ی / -یت
third pers. sing. : -[b]é / -ét : -ێ / -ێت
first pers. plur. : -ín : -ین
second pers. plur. : -in : -ن
third pers. plur. : -in : -ن

The only thing that might demand a little struggle here is the fact that present stems usually differ from the past ones and these differences often make present and past verbal stems far away:

Past stem : Present stem
dít : bín- (see)
kird : ke- (do)
cú : c- (go)
hat : é- / yé- (come)
nard : nér- (send)
hén : hén- (bring)
bird : be- (carry)
girt : gir- (take)

The noticeable ending "-d" or "-t" is allegedly the same as "-ed" / "-d" / "-t" that we can observe in some English past stems:

did : do
dead : die
brought : bring
sent : send
cared : care
carried : carry

Also I gotta note that in Soraní both "present" and "future" tenses are alike, unless you would want to stress an action which is getting done for more than one time, in which you ought to add "-ewe" ئه وه-) to the end of the pronoun (which itself attaches to the end of the present root whilst the durative maker "de-" "ده-" in Hewléri or "e-" "ئه-"in Silémaní stand in the beginning of the combination just preceding the present stem):

Present / Future tenses for "dítin":

Present root (stem) "bín-"

I see / I will see : ebínim : ئه بینم
you see / you will see : ebíní : ئه بینی
s/he see / s/he will see : ebínét : ئه بینێت
we see / we will see : ebínín : ئه بینین
you see / you will see : ebínin : ئه بینن
they see / they will see : ebínin : ئه بینن

As you see the second pers. plural as well as the third pers. plural forms are exactly alike so that to avoid ambiguity the personal pronouns (éwe ~ you / ewan ~ they) are better to be mentioned in this case if the reader would not be supposed to get the right meaning from the passage or the sentence itself.

For the sake of the progressive tense, you will only need to put "xerík-" before the verb, while attaching the personal pronouns of "to be" to it respectively (xeríkim, xeríkí, xeríke, xeríkín, xeríkin, xeríkin; this time only the third pers. singular differs with its another form attaching the verbal stems: -e –ئه instead of –ét –ێت):

I am seeing : xeríkim ebínim : خه ریکم ئه بینم
you are seening : xeríkí ebíní : خه ریکی ئه بینی
s/he is seeing : xeríke ebínét : خه ریکه ئه بینێت
we are seeing : xeríkín ébínín : خه ریکین ئه بینین
you are seeing : xeríkin ebínin : خه ریکن ئه بینن
they are seeing : xeríkin ebínin : خه ریکن ئه بینن


They only independent future form, as I mentioned, exists for those actions which occur for more than once:

I will see again : ebínimewe : ئه بینمه وه
you will see again : ebíníyewe : ئه بینیه وه
s/he will see again : ebínétewe : ئه بینێته وه
…..

I hope it will be useful. I am waiting for the next session and possible points that got to be cleared up.

[Kulka]

hello and thanks a lot. i have to ask forgivness, but today i am dead after 12 hours shift together with very hot weather and also it was third day of my work, so i am not able to use my small brain today. tomorrow its gonna be exellent weather as well, but i will try to do my homework in the morning, so after that i will go to make my white skin a little bit more kurdish in colour, using kurdish sunshine (coz for me sun in the sky is kurdish - i know i am very bad racist ). so my apologize for this short note, but i need rest. my best wishes for all here.

[Kulka]

ok, as i said i will do my lesson before i will go outside, coz the weather is in fact exellent, like in Kurdistan.

so for both دیتن بینین present is the same. thats good. luckily i already know all pronouns for present tense, so this time its easy for me. what is brand new is the usage of the word "xerík-" i didnt notice how people use it when they talk, i didnt pay attention to that.
second question that i have - for the verbs which ends with - ه‌وه‌ did we ever use pronouns - man, - tan, - yan? ‌ i mean if verb are considered to be transitive and intransitive.

and third question - i know i am goint to complictae my life now, but i wish to know - it it will appear to difficult i will give up, but how it works for future (present) if i want to say:
i see you
you see them
etc.
i know a little bit, like - i see you - ده‌تبینم - but how it works for other cases, specially for plural (see us, see you, see them)?

thank you and my best wishes.

[Emanoelkurdistani]

Yes the present stems for both "dítin" and "bínín" are the same.

Well the case of using "-ewe" is very easy. It doesn’t matter in which tense (past or future) or verbal form (transitive or intransitive) you do use it, just add "-ewe" to the end of your combination:

Transitive:
I saw you again : éwem dítewe : ئێوه م دیته وه
I will see you : detanbínimewe : ده تانبینمه وه

Intransitive:
I came back/again : hatimewe : هاتمه وه
I will come back : démewe : دێمه وه

Ok and about intransitive and transitive verbs in the present (future) tense. Before commencing this part I would to like to stress on your words "difficult I will give up" and I am telling you amiably "when it is a matter of learning, do not you give up ever!"
Now, as good news for you, I daresay that the usage of transitive and intransitive verbs for the present tense is much easier than the past one. However we still got two simple and complicated forms but the complicated one is a unique sod it you wouldn’t cause you to mess at all:

Simple transitive form:

I see you (singular) : to ebínim : تۆ ئه بینم

Complicated form:

I see you (sing.) : etbínim : ئه تبینم

As you can notice, in the so-called complicated form you just need to place transitive pronouns between durative maker "e-" and verb:

Complicated form:

durative maker + transitive pronoun + verb

e + t + bínim : ئه + ت + بینم

More examples in both simple and complicated forms:

I find you : to edozim : تۆ ئه دۆزم
I find you : etdozim : ئه تدوزم

I am seeing you : xeríkim to ebínim : خه ریکم تۆ ئه بینم
I am seeing you : xeríkim etbínim : خه ریکم ئه تبینم


Now an example of complicated form in full:

I see you : etbínim : ئه تبینم
I see him/her : eybínim : ئه یبینم
I see you : etanbínim : ئه تانبینم
I see them : eyanbínim : ئه یانبینم

Based on the formerly given transitive subject pronouns as well as the aformentioned transitive rule in the present tense (e+pronoun+verb) you can make them for the other persons too:

you (sing.) see me : embíní : ئه م بینی
you see him/her : eybíní : ئه یبینی
you see us : emanbíní : ئه مانبینی
you see them : eyanbíní : ئه یانبینی

we see you (sing.) : etbínín : ئه تبینین
we see him/her : eybínín : ئه یبینین
we see you (plur.) : etanbínín : ئه تانبینین
....
....


Intransitive forms are definitely easy to use:
I come : yém / dém : یێم / دێم
I am going : ecim : ئه چم
I write : enúsim : ئه نووسم
I see : ebínim : ئه بینم

I am in anticipation of the next session, till then be fine .

[kurdangel]

to be honest Kulka.. i wouldnt have been able to explain everything like Kak EmanoelKurdistani has
I will jump in so now and then... but he is an excellent teacher i have to say

[eg0u61c9]

kak Aram - if you are no more busy with your study, can you help me with language, coz seems like my so called "friend" kak Eman is no more interested, i think its the problem of my age - i am too old to be worth to help. or maybe my religion is problem. but whatever i still believe there are true Kurds (not "iranians", "iraqi Kurds". "Kurds of turkya"... just Kurds from Kurdistan) - till now seems like you are one of them, kak Aram, thats makes me very glad.

I am sorry kulka for not been able to reply. i had to attend a conference for my study and i just got back today I am still a bit busy but you can always drop me an email or msgs here if you have any questions ( i am just scared if i couldn't help like your excellent teacher ).... NOthing is a problem Kulka xan and i am very happy to help

Nah, we aint iraki Kurds nor kurds of Turkya we just Kurds from Kurdistan and thanks very much for your compliment

[Emanoelkurdistani]

to be honest Kulka.. i wouldnt have been able to explain everything like Kak EmanoelKurdistani has
I will jump in so now and then... but he is an excellent teacher i have to say

Thanks for your compliment . Taureans are capable of making good teachers however I personally wish to be actually a good teacher one day. By the way I doubt if I could afford an all correct body of Western Soraní (Silémaní, Hewlérí) examples since I speak Erdellaní (Eastern) Soraní which is to some degrees a very different one compared to Western Soraní. So that your and everybody else's assistance as native Western Soraní speakers is pleasantly welcome .

[Emanoelkurdistani]

( i am just scared if i couldn't help like your excellent teacher )....

Do not be bro. As I've already mentioned every Western Soraní speaker's assistance is regarded favorably since I myself am an Eastern Soraní speaker while our friend, Kulka, is aiming at the Western Soraní (particularly that of Silémaní) in which of course you are better than me .

[Kulka]

Hewleri, Hewleri - kaka - not Sulemani - but of course i learn both, coz they are not too much different form each other and its not difficult, i already know some differencies. although i love all kurdistan, but Hewler is the place that is more close to my heart than others - feelings that i cant explain.
all of you are right - its very difficult to be good teacher, but kak Emanoel seems to be the right person in right place - but still any of you, friends, are very welcomed to add your ideas to that course.
honestly - today i am not in very good mood, i feel very bad here, in that country, alone. there are some limits and i feel i have enough. i feel very clearlyt that i am in completly wrong place and wrong reality. but i have no choice, i must stay here untill i will reach my aim. i am listening now to Karwan Nuri - i dont know if you have ever hear his songs. its hot summer evening and i listen to this songs and i feel very strange... its very hard, very sad. and i am scared it will be like that always, that i will never be able to escape from that situation... i would like to see Kurdistan one day. sometimes i am angry that i feel this irrational love for something that i didnt see andc i even didnt know before, sometimes i think it would be more easy for me if i still have no idea about Kurdistan. maybe. but at the other hand - i wouldnt have the reason to live. i want to see Kurdistan. and i miss this boy so much... and i still dont understand why he did that to me
i will do my lesson tomorrow - i cant do today

[eg0u61c9]

Do not be bro. As I've already mentioned every Western Soraní speaker's assistance is regarded favorably since I myself am an Eastern Soraní speaker while our friend, Kulka, is aiming at the Western Soraní (particularly that of Silémaní) in which of course you are better than me .

Seriously Kak Emanoelkurdistani,

I am amazed of how easy and clear you can make it all, I always did well in Kurdish when i was in school but your ability in Kurdish grammar is fab. if you dont mind me asking, where did u finish school and what's your major?

Of course, i am here to help if Kulka or anyone else need it