Emanoel, can you split Kurdish from Iranian?

[Johny Bravo]

If Kurdish no longer calculated to the Iranian branche, then nobody can say anymore, that Kurds were Persians and so on.

You can re-activate as example the Old Aryan /s/-louds in Kurdish.

Like havîn > savîn, heft > seft, xwarin > swarin.

The "x" in "xw" is anyway Persian influence, so it can not damage if you take Proto-Indoeuropean "SW".

What do you think about the idea Emanoel?

[Quaere Verum]

It is definitely a puerile idea. Do not let such whimsical notions to preoccupy your mind bro.

By the way no body is capable of putting even a slight gap between "Kurdish" and "Iranian" in a million years of course! However there could be a tiny Hurrian background for them but Kurdish languages still are blends out of Median and Scythian-two Iranian languages with a later influence of Parthian (another Iranian language) on Goraní and Zaza. Certainly "Kurdish", in all terms, is an inseparable part of "Iranian".

Regarding to Kurdish being speculated of Persian origin in belief of some western (stranger) scholars, the only sensible and practical approach is to purify the language based on authentic materials despite the undeniable influence of Persian, as the most eminent Iranian language, throughout history.

[Johny Bravo]

For you is all in Zazaki borrowed or influence, you are a dump lier. If you speak about Kurmanji, all is "derrived from" or "comes from", but Zazaki borrowed all? Where are the evidences? First, nobody of the neutral linguists count Zazaki to Kurdish, so Zazaki is NOT kurdish! Second, Zazaki is a purer form of Northwestiranian than Kurdish, it was one of the northwestiranian dialects which were to Parthian near, it is not has do with borrowing!

You think false, there was not a parthian influence on Kurdish, the PARTHIANS settled to Mesopotamia and their childs are the Zazas and Hewrams. I can also say, that Kurmanji comes from a mix between Zazaki and Persian. But, I'm not such a lier as you, that i denial the true history.

And you are soo absurd with new words like "ziryê" which is derrived from "zerya". If Zazaki conserves old louds, than you say "its accident, its borrowed, it is not possible, that it comes direct from Old Iranian, there was stages", at Kurmanji you connect it directlly with Avesta. Where's the logic?

But thank you, that you show again the true face of the kurds, you will try only to assimilate us Zazas, nothing other.

And again:

We are Zazas, our homeland is Zazaistan, our langauge is Zazaish!

[ideas]

Guys, iranian does not mean persian! Iranian = aryan ... some kurds are believed to be Indo-aryan or indo-iranian, which the persians are also a branch of, but kurds are not persian.

[ideas]

For you is all in Zazaki borrowed or influence, you are a dump lier. If you speak about Kurmanji, all is "derrived from" or "comes from", but Zazaki borrowed all? Where are the evidences? First, nobody of the neutral linguists count Zazaki to Kurdish, so Zazaki is NOT kurdish! Second, Zazaki is a purer form of Northwestiranian than Kurdish, it was one of the northwestiranian dialects which were to Parthian near, it is not has do with borrowing!

You think false, there was not a parthian influence on Kurdish, the PARTHIANS settled to Mesopotamia and their childs are the Zazas and Hewrams. I can also say, that Kurmanji comes from a mix between Zazaki and Persian. But, I'm not such a lier as you, that i denial the true history.

And you are soo absurd with new words like "ziryê" which is derrived from "zerya". If Zazaki conserves old louds, than you say "its accident, its borrowed, it is not possible, that it comes direct from Old Iranian, there was stages", at Kurmanji you connect it directlly with Avesta. Where's the logic?

But thank you, that you show again the true face of the kurds, you will try only to assimilate us Zazas, nothing other.

And again:

We are Zazas, our homeland is Zazaistan, our langauge is Zazaish!

If you are zaza, and don't want to be called a kurd thats fine.. there are zaza which do like it, and kurd is not a one "tribe" group, we are a mixture of many close tribes, and so zaza could be one of those tribes.

[Quaere Verum]

For you is all in Zazaki borrowed or influence, you are a dump lier. If you speak about Kurmanji, all is "derrived from" or "comes from", but Zazaki borrowed all? Where are the evidences? First, nobody of the neutral linguists count Zazaki to Kurdish, so Zazaki is NOT kurdish! Second, Zazaki is a purer form of Northwestiranian than Kurdish, it was one of the northwestiranian dialects which were to Parthian near, it is not has do with borrowing!

You think false, there was not a parthian influence on Kurdish, the PARTHIANS settled to Mesopotamia and their childs are the Zazas and Hewrams. I can also say, that Kurmanji comes from a mix between Zazaki and Persian. But, I'm not such a lier as you, that i denial the true history.

And you are soo absurd with new words like "ziryê" which is derrived from "zerya". If Zazaki conserves old louds, than you say "its accident, its borrowed, it is not possible, that it comes direct from Old Iranian, there was stages", at Kurmanji you connect it directlly with Avesta. Where's the logic?

But thank you, that you show again the true face of the kurds, you will try only to assimilate us Zazas, nothing other.

And again:

We are Zazas, our homeland is Zazaistan, our langauge is Zazaish!

At least I can be glad that you eventually released yourself, now you can breathe a sigh of relief and I only hope then you will be going to reconsider your words.

Also thanks for expressing yourself in such a candid way.

[Quaere Verum]

If you are zaza, and don't want to be called a kurd thats fine.. there are zaza which do like it, and kurd is not a one "tribe" group, we are a mixture of many close tribes, and so zaza could be one of those tribes.

Apparently to suchlike people it is a very hard fact to digest, or at least they pretend so. Anywyas all they've got is a theoretical linguistic ground on which they attempt to make up boastful historical pretensions.

[kurd-sthanam]

Johny Bravo: where ever zazas and goranis come from and however how much we are different, we have becoming together as one shild. I dont know when kurds called them kurds, but if it was first the kurmanjis that called them kurds, the term kurd are not used today by kurmanji's to refering them self, but to refering nation of kurdistan. if we are not the same nation, we are again brothers. I am proud over you zaza's and i love you. I am proud you and over our heroes together and our "fight" together. (seyid riza, shêx seid, yilmaz güney and martyrs of zaza's for whole kurdish people) if zaza dont call them same nation with kurmanjis and others, it is not others business. but I am using the term kurd for zaza because many zaza call them kurds same with others and i am not seeing it as a "nation" with "kurmanji" overclass. Kurds are not calling zaza for kurds to assimilate you. we are not authoritarian fascist K.C or Kürdiye Cumhuriyeti, since you call us that. "zazaistan" are neighbour with turkey and kurdistan. you can not call "zazaistan" for zazaistan in the mid of T.C without a kurdistan .

[kurd-sthanam]

zaza and gorani are not influenced by parthian. they may be parthians. by the way sorani may be hewramized/goranized(or even parthianized) form of kurmanji...