Roj Bash Kurdistan

Hi People Iam a kirmancki (Zaza) kurd from North and just showen up hear because i saw some ultranationalistic internet zaza claiming we are a different nation.


here are some maps of language trees. As we can see kurmanci (called kurdish on this maps) are closer to zazaki and Gorani than persian or any other language.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... anTree.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Irani ... e_v2.0.png

and also note the term used as Zaza was a denigration and means something like "bla bla" acording to paul horn. The majority of us call our own language kirmancki or kirdki both terms are equal to kurmanci and kurdi and mean just simply "Kurdish" I have never seen my mother or dad calling our language Zazaki thats a term used only by turks in former times. And their is also no organisation called Zaza-Natiolism it only exist here on the Internet i have never heared about them anywhere else. There are only to arts of kirmanckis(zaza´s) one of them feel like kurds (like me and the big majority) and the other feel like turks(assimilated very small minority)

even western ethnologs recognized this i quote

"The Zazaki language used to be classified as a dialect of Kurmanji, however it is now considered to be separate and not a Kurdish language (Paul, 1998), but rather belonging to the Zaza-Gorani group of northwest Iranian languages (ethnologue, 2000). <strong>Since the Zazaki-speakers analyzed here self-identify as Kurds (Donald Stilo, personal communication), we included them in the analyses of the groups speaking Kurdish languages.</strong>"

http://www.eva.mpg.de/genetics/pdf/Kurds.pdf


the majority of us kirmancki speakers feel kurdish. You can compare us to gilakis and mazandaranis of Iran who are also not classified (linguisticly) as persian but still are a part of them. So why not we?

here some videoclips of zaza

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/IndoEuropeanTree.svg">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... anTree.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Irani ... e_v2.0.png

and also note the term used as Zaza was a denigration and means something like "bla bla" acording to paul horn. The majority of us call our own language kirmancki or kirdki both terms are equal to kurmanci and kurdi and mean just simply "Kurdish" I have never seen my mother or dad calling our language Zazaki thats a term used only by turks in former times. And their is also no organisation called Zaza-Natiolism it only exist here on the Internet i have never heared about them anywhere else. There are only to arts of kirmanckis(zaza´s) one of them feel like kurds (like me and the big majority) and the other feel like turks(assimilated very small minority)

even western ethnologs recognized this i quote

"The Zazaki language used to be classified as a dialect of Kurmanji, however it is now considered to be separate and not a Kurdish language (Paul, 1998), but rather belonging to the Zaza-Gorani group of northwest Iranian languages (ethnologue, 2000). <strong>Since the Zazaki-speakers analyzed here self-identify as Kurds (Donald Stilo, personal communication), we included them in the analyses of the groups speaking Kurdish languages.</strong>"

http://www.eva.mpg.de/genetics/pdf/Kurds.pdf


the majority of us kirmancki speakers feel kurdish. You can compare us to gilakis and mazandaranis of Iran who are also not classified (linguisticly) as persian but still are a part of them. So why not we?

here some videoclips of zaza

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SQhbwcoCgc&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

there is no Zaza-Nationalism it only exists in youtube and on the Internet and if someone claim something else than he should prove it and show me at least such a big group of zaza which doesen´t feel like kurds but only as zaza.

Ma Kurda. Kurdistan welatê mao! Kirmancki ziwanê mao!

Welcome dear brother! We all are happy that you are here and that you are one of us. hope you will stay and share your interests and opinions with us. Ba xer beit!

Hello and welcome brother, I would like to know what percentage of the zazaki community consider them self as kurds? as we face this problems with ezidis and shabaks also.

welcome dear bro
Zaza is very close to HewramI . my friends who are horamI underestand ZazakI well.

(Hewramis are very populated in Sine as they are 50 Kilometers west of Sine)

Welcome to RBK, Kurdistano!

Bijî Kurdistan!

Thx dear brothers and sisters.


@Ideas the big majority see themself as kurds. there are only two typs of zaza traitors which feel like turks and zaza who feel like kurds(the big majority) something like Zaza nationalism only exists on damn youtube or wikipedia. thats why you can´t find any zaza organisations which claim to be different people.

I know that we are very close to gorani kurds thats why gorani kurds should stay in contact to us Zazas to show that we are not different people and don´t give the traitors or the enemys of kurds the chance to divide us.

Kurdistano wrote:Thx dear brothers and sisters.


@Ideas the big majority see themself as kurds. there are only two typs of zaza traitors which feel like turks and zaza who feel like kurds(the big majority) something like Zaza nationalism only exists on damn youtube or wikipedia. thats why you can´t find any zaza organisations which claim to be different people.

I know that we are very close to gorani kurds thats why gorani kurds should stay in contact to us Zazas to show that we are not different people and don´t give the traitors or the enemys of kurds the chance to divide us.

I see the zaza just as I see kurmanji and sorani.. both have different dialects of Kurdish, however non are more or less Kurdish then the other, and don't worry there are kurmanji traitors too.

@Ideas please don´t call my Zaza Language as kurdish dialect. I am very proud of Zazaki. I feel like a kurd with a related language to kurmanci or Sorani. Iam also for an unified kurdish language with kurmanci sorani gorani and zazaki elements in it but I Think every group of Kurds should also be allowed to speak their own tonguege. I know that their are also kurmanc traitors but the big problem among us Zaza is that this Zaza traitors use the linguistics as opertunity to divide kurds.

Does zazaki not fall under kurdish? I won't say it if you don't like it, but I don't see the problem? sorani and kermanji are very different, I cant understand kermanji but its still kurdish.

ideas wrote:Does zazaki not fall under kurdish? I won't say it if you don't like it, but I don't see the problem? sorani and kermanji are very different, I cant understand kermanji but its still kurdish.

it´s up to your deffinition zazaki is of course a kurdish language but doesen´t act like a dialekt. i also know that sorani and kurmanci are very different in grammer and many words. but sorani kurmanci are two dilaects of one group while zazaki and gorani are to dilaects of another lek is something like bound between this two groups. iam very proud of my zazaki language beeing one of the oldest ayranic languages and also beeing kurdish. And of course their should be a unified kurdish language but we could also let the people use their own mother tonguege like it is known.

i think its great that kurdish culture in general is so rich in many ways - also about languages. some people say that its a problem for kurdish nation and country as a whole that people dont speka one language. but they are wrong - look at other countries - rich countries, which have more than one offical language: Canada - has two: english and french, Belgium has three: dutch, french and german, switzerland has four!: german, french italian, romansh (and its more than 4 times less population than Kurds and much smoller in territory than Kurdistan). In Wales UK two languages are in use - english and welsh, road signs are written in both -0 and believe me sorani and kurmanji are more similiar to each other than english and welsh (thouse who know how welsh language looks like - will know what i mean ) so even if Kurdistan has 4 languages - its nothing wrong. and of course all dialects should stay alive as a part of culture and heritage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu5jhQ6scYg&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

I see, thats for that, it cleared it up for me. While I agree that there should be one recognized Kurdish language (and also not forget the other ones also) I don't think its possible until the day a Kurdish state is created.

honestly - i dont think it will be one and only one kurdish language, even if we will have official borders on the map. i think these two must stay as recognized kurdish languages - sorani and kurmandji - but for me its beutiful and uniqe thing in the world . anyway sorani speakers use the latin writting system as well (even in south Kurdish tv station), so i think there will be no problem. and also i think if the country will be no more devided by artificial borders, people will be able to travel all over freely, that will give the chance to make both sorani and kurmandji more sim iliar to each other, i think these languages will go into each other. even now there is a tendency to teach kids words from different dialects (or kurdish languages), coz i used to learn from the internet sites for kids (written in sorani), where there are short readings, stories and under each story there are small dictionary and it gives sorani word and the same words from kurmandji and badhini for example (thats why i learned that in badhini "mrishk" is called "dikl " ) - so in my opinion kurdish people will alwyas understand each other.

Kulka wrote:honestly - i dont think it will be one and only one kurdish language, even if we will have official borders on the map. i think these two must stay as recognized kurdish languages - sorani and kurmandji - but for me its beutiful and uniqe thing in the world . anyway sorani speakers use the latin writting system as well (even in south Kurdish tv station), so i think there will be no problem. and also i think if the country will be no more devided by artificial borders, people will be able to travel all over freely, that will give the chance to make both sorani and kurmandji more sim iliar to each other, i think these languages will go into each other. even now there is a tendency to teach kids words from different dialects (or kurdish languages), coz i used to learn from the internet sites for kids (written in sorani), where there are short readings, stories and under each story there are small dictionary and it gives sorani word and the same words from kurmandji and badhini for example (thats why i learned that in badhini "mrishk" is called "dikl " ) - so in my opinion kurdish people will alwyas understand each other.

true thats something very normal that other kurdish languages influence each other but i think their should be at least one official united kurdish language. the other regional ones could be spoken in the own regions thats no problem but one unique language would be perfect.

but how to do that in practice?