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Researchers working at Ziyaret Tepe, the probable site of the ancient Assyrian city of Tušhan, believe that the language may have been spoken by deportees originally from the Zagros Mountains, on the border of modern-day Iran and Iraq.

http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/arch ... -language/


Archaeologists have discovered evidence for a previously unknown ancient language – buried in the ruins of a 2800 year old Middle Eastern palace.

The discovery is important because it may help reveal the ethnic and cultural origins of some of history's first 'barbarians' – mountain tribes which had, in previous millennia, preyed on the world's first great civilizations, the cultures of early Mesopotamia in what is now Iraq.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 28894.html

I bet it's an ARYAN language.

nice work !!

zagros tribes have always till today have been kurds .

Most likely the Gutians.

According to me proto-Aryan Kurds related to the Kassites/Mittani folks. Discrimination and persecution of ancient Kurds was the reason why the Medes destroyed an Assyrian empire.

Look what happened with the Assyrians after that. We let them disappear off the face of the earth. Vengeance is sweet as honey

This is a future scenario what will happen with Turks and Arabs if they continue do deny Kurdish rights.


We're the survivors, a proud and dominant Aryan race of people. Nobody will ever bring us down. At the end of the day we Kurds, children of the SUN, will always survive in our beloved mountains, the Zagros mountains!

thesunchild wrote:According to me proto-Aryan Kurds related to the Kassites/Mittani folks. Discrimination and persecution of ancient Kurds was the reason why the Medes destroyed an Assyrian empire.

Look what happened with the Assyrians after that. We let them disappear off the face of the earth. Vengeance is sweet as honey

This is a future scenario what will happen with Turks and Arabs if they continue do deny Kurdish rights.


We're the survivors, a proud and dominant Aryan race of people. Nobody will ever bring us down. At the end of the day we Kurds, children of the SUN, will always survive in our beloved mountains, the Zagros mountains!

Our native ancestors were the Hurrians. The Gutians were most likely an Iranic indo-european tribe from the Eurasian steppes, but that is just what I think.

jjmuneer wrote:Our native ancestors were the Hurrians. The Gutians were most likely an Iranic indo-european tribe from the Eurasian steppes, but that is just what I think.

According to me the Hurrians were the true direct ancestors of all Iranic peoples. According to me proto-Iranic folks came from Kurdistan and later part of them migrated into Central Asia. In Central Asia they got mixed with natives of Central Asia.

Gedrosia aDNA component is actually from Kurdistan (West Asia) - the Zagros mountains. Those Hurrians / proto-Iranic (proto-Aryans from the Zagros mountains) people brought ancient Gedrosia / West Asia aDNA component into Central Asia.

Hurrians = proto-Aryans

thesunchild wrote:

jjmuneer wrote:Our native ancestors were the Hurrians. The Gutians were most likely an Iranic indo-european tribe from the Eurasian steppes, but that is just what I think.

According to me the Hurrians were the true direct ancestors of all Iranic peoples. According to me proto-Iranic folks came from Kurdistan and later part of them migrated into Central Asia. In Central Asia they got mixed with natives of Central Asia.

Gedrosia aDNA component is actually from Kurdistan (West Asia) - the Zagros mountains. Those Hurrians / proto-Iranic (proto-Aryans from the Zagros mountains) people brought ancient Gedrosia / West Asia aDNA component into Central Asia.

Hurrians = proto-Aryans

aDNA component?I've never heard of that before, do you have any links? If you mean Y-DNA, Y-DNA is never restricted to one ethinicty or peoples, it is just migrations. Hurrians weren't proto-Iranic, since the Indo-Iranian family was first centered and expanded outwards at the Eurasian steppes. The Hurrians were probably native caucasians, similar ancestors to the Armenians, Georgians and other native caucasian groups. Well similar.

Here's the link: http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2012/01/k12 ... ators.html

You have got mtDNA, Y-DNA and also aDNA. But aDNA is artificial though.


The first Iranic language was attested in Kurdistan. It was a Mitanni language. Also Iranic languages have a very close relation with Caucasian languages. There’re also some links between ancient Semitic languages.

aDNA = admixture DNA

Kurds are in general aDNA Caucasia (40%) + Gedrosia (30%) people. But Gedrosia aDNA component is actually also from Kurdistan.

thesunchild wrote:Here's the link: http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2012/01/k12 ... ators.html

You have got mtDNA, Y-DNA and also aDNA. But aDNA is artificial though.


The first Iranic language was attested in Kurdistan. It was a Mitanni language. Also Iranic languages have a very close relation with Caucasian languages. There’re also some links between ancient Semitic languages.

aDNA = admixture DNA

Kurds are in general aDNA Caucasia (40%) + Gedrosia (30%) people. But Gedrosia aDNA component is actually also from Kurdistan.

But Y and M DNA just show migrations, I don't really put too much trust in it. Anyways caucasus language sound nothing like Iranic languages, I can't understand a single word of any caucasus language. Excluding Ossetian since they're Iranic-caucasian group. I think Georgian and Kurdish relatedness is just of Northern Kurds. East Kurds probably be similar be to North Iranians. Anyways Kurds also have European admixture, it doesn't really tell us anything. Only way to find out is if we find ancient skulls of the Medes and Gutes and see their DNA. Compare it to the modern day Kurds, see the similiarities.
I don't think it was Mitannis, since Gutians were East of the Zagros mountains, I suppose East Kurdistan of today. Plus Mitannis weren't Iranic, remember only the upper class was Indo-Aryans. Plus Kurds aren't Indo-Aryan. The Mitanni state was probably mostly Caucasian with a small semitic population in it.

thesunchild wrote:

I don't undetand that map, R1a1a the Eurasian Iranian type ovbiously came from Eurasia. What is this proto-Aryan theory your coming up with man? Clearly R1a1a is at a higher distrubution in Eastern and Northern India, which indicates it was them migrating to the middle-east. What that map doesn't show is that the Indo-Iranians weren't from India or Afghanistan, but central asia, Turkimenistan, Khazaistan etc... Plus it don't show the Iranic tribes like Medes or Parthians who were Iranic and not Indo-Aryan. It could also show J1 as a native caucasian haplogroup.

Remember though they are just markers, they can never explain your ancestry fully.

5000 years ago R1a & R2a were native haplogroup in Central Asia.

Proto-Aryan (West-Asian Hurrians) J2a people from Kurdistan "ARYANISED" native R1a & R2a folks in Central Asia. Later there was a some kind of back migration of those hybrid folks (J2a + R1a & R2a) into Kurdistan again.

thesunchild wrote:5000 years ago R1a & R2a were native haplogroup in Central Asia.

Proto-Aryan (West-Asian Hurrians) J2a people from Kurdistan "ARYANISED" native R1a & R2a folks in Central Asia. Later there was a some kind of back migration of those hybrid folks (J2a + R1a & R2a) into Kurdistan again.

There is evidence for this? Are there any statistics on frequency of J2a and G2a in central Asia?
Lol what hybrid folk? What does J2a and R1a equal then? I think your getting confused bewteen the subcladed.
Just look at sub-racial types my friend now and you will see what I'm talking about.