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in the other topic someone sayd, sorani is hawrami with kurmanci influence or conversely.
could this be?, can someone give some examples that support this possibility.

i ask because i always had the feel- no logical reason - that there is a similiarity between hawrami and sorani (idiom),

very complicate our kurdish language

I think there are only loanwords in Sorani from Hewrami, its Kurmanci language. ts like Feyli is a Gorani language with Persian loanwords.

It is impossible to prove if the grammer of Sorani is influenced too, because there are no historical evidences. But one can proves by the loud rules which words are adapted from Hawrami.

As example:
hewt, kewtin, ziwan, ciwar

Johny English wrote:It is impossible to prove if the grammer of Sorani is influenced too, because there are no historical evidences. But one can proves by the loud rules which words are adapted from Hawrami.

As example:
hewt, kewtin, ziwan, ciwar

do you speak sorani?
what do you think, loudly there is big similarity when i hear sorani, but maybe its imagination

The definite-building as example is the same:

Sorani:
ker = donkey, ker-eke = the donkey

Hawrami:
xer = donkey, xer-eke = the donkey

PS: No, I speak Zazaki.

Johny English wrote:The definite-building as example is the same:

Sorani:
ker = donkey, ker-eke = the donkey

Hawrami:
xer = donkey, xer-eke = the donkey

PS: No, I speak Zazaki.

We say 'Xereke' aswell for the Donkey, I think Laki is very close to Hewrami.

Do you say 'Dirin' for they have in Hewrami?

jjmuneer wrote:

Johny English wrote:The definite-building as example is the same:

Sorani:
ker = donkey, ker-eke = the donkey

Hawrami:
xer = donkey, xer-eke = the donkey

PS: No, I speak Zazaki.

We say 'Xereke' aswell for the Donkey, I think Laki is very close to Hewrami.

Do you say 'Dirin' for they have in Hewrami?

I don't speak Hawrami, my tongue is Zazaki. But I will research.

Its actually 'Xwauyan dirin', thank you.

hevalo27 wrote:in the other topic someone sayd, sorani is hawrami with kurmanci influence or conversely.
could this be?, can someone give some examples that support this possibility.

i ask because i always had the feel- no logical reason - that there is a similiarity between hawrami and sorani (idiom),

very complicate our kurdish language

It was me who said this and historically and linguistically this is true. The grammatic of Sorani is most similar to Hawrami. And also most Sorani areas today where once Hawrami speaking and Sorani developed after some Kurmanci (Badinani) speakers moved into these areas. So basically Sorani= Hawrami + Kurmanci influence.

jj what does dirim means in Feyli ??

alan131210 wrote:jj what does dirim means in Feyli ??

dîrim means I have. persian darem.

"he" in kurmanc and sorani, "hen" in hewrami "est" in zazaki.

i have is "heme" in Sorani
he/she has it = "heyetî"
they have = "Heyane"
you have it = "hete"
i had it = "hem bû"
they had it = "heyan bû"
he/she had it = "hey bû"
i will have it = "em bê"
he/she will have it = "ey bê"
they will have it = "eyan bê"

alan131210 wrote:i have is "heme" in Sorani

hmm ok, how would you say example "we have"? "heman" or "heyîn"?

"heme" in kurmanci means something like "i am" or "i am there/here". In kurmanci and zazaki there are no real translate for "i have" but you can say:

keçek/dotek min heye / i have a daughter

kurd-sthanam wrote:

alan131210 wrote:i have is "heme" in Sorani

hmm ok, how would you say example "we have"? "heman" or "heyîn"?

"heme" in kurmanci means something like "i am" or "i am there/here". In kurmanci and zazaki there are no real translate for "i have" but you can say:

keçek/dotek min heye / i have a daughter

no "we have" is "hemane" and yes in sorani you can say "i have" alone which i posted above .