Barzani Met Bush ...?

[Vladimir]

Listen to BAWK!

[Diri]

Listen to BAWK!

Mine or hers? Who's bav are we gonna listen to...

[ChiChalok]

He should speak Kurdish.. not Arabic.

He wrote article in Washington Post.. it's in English!

THEN WHY DIDNT HE SPEAK IT??

Aren't you proud on your own language? Barzani is a proud Kurd. If you are going to criticize him, because he spoke Kurdish.. while the Kurdish language was oppressed for decades.. you are really ignorant.

Talabani spoke in Arabic.. .. at least Barzani spoke in Kurdish.

I am Proud of my language =) but if he knows english .. he should've just spoke english .. didnt need to have someone translate

Chichalok... I am sorry - but you are realy naiv...


Look - He spoke in Kurdish, because THAT would HURT our enemies! He spoke in Kurdish, because he is a KURD - He spoke in Kurdish because THE WHOL WORLD WAS WATCHING HIM! AND CNN AND BBC AND SKY NEWS AND ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES AIRED IT!

thank you

Oh, you are welcome, sister...

I am sure you already knew this, but that you are too "saf" ("Pure/Naiv/Ideological" etc) to think in these lines...

Right...

ahem!!!!

[xtreme]

As being a Kurdish-American and also an anti-Bush, I think it was positive
to see Barzani-Bush together live on CNN, MSNBC and Foxnews.
For Kurds to achieve their goal, which i believe is free Kurdistan, we have to stick with the most powerful country in the world which is United States Of America.
We need to remember that G. W. Bush didint invade Iraq to take out Saddam because he murdered thousands of Kurds.
Everytime USA asks kurds to do something kurds do it on some condition.
Well this is politic. It's complicated to know whats really going on inside.
I personally believe Barzani is a man who put his efford together to stand for Kurdish people and freedom of Kurdistan

[kurdistani]

Where is all this hating on Kak Masud coming from...
I think he is doing a good job in a bad situation.... Of course he is could to better... but he is certainly the second best Kurdish leader at the moment (Nechivan Barzani is the best around at the moment).....
You can accuse me of being KDP... but I am trying to look at it objectively...
As some one pointed out... Kak Masud always uses the word Kurdistan... Mem Jalal does not... And Apo... well according to him the future of the Kurds in Turkiyeifcation!

[dyaoko]

Where is all this hating on Kak Masud coming from...
I think he is doing a good job in a bad situation.... Of course he is could to better... but he is certainly the second best Kurdish leader at the moment (Nechivan Barzani is the best around at the moment).....
You can accuse me of being KDP... but I am trying to look at it objectively...
As some one pointed out... Kak Masud always uses the word Kurdistan... Mem Jalal does not... And Apo... well according to him the future of the Kurds in Turkiyeifcation!

it is ok to be a Pro-KDP brother,
you know what ? I think Kurdistan should be like america , ppl should be democrat or republician .. infact compettition between KDP and PUJ can lead us to progress...

for example if KDP did a bad thing PUK can shout it out...and the same...
thats like America...if bush do a mistake , democrats will shout it.

thats how democracy works .

but the thing that is not good in being pro-kdp or pro-puk is destorying kurdistan , for Personal Benefits ...
as most of the kurds do, as one of them becomes sucesfull the others destory it , and wants to have it himself...so he destorys kurdistan as well..just for his own benefit .

unfortuantely this is the same in Kurdish comunity too ...[among common ppl ]
by the way , during the last 2 year , massood has shown more Kurdayati than jalal .
may be because Jalal was president of Iraq and he had to show himself Iraqi but massod was president of kurdistan and didnt have to prove he is iraqi...

overall I can say , Massood has shown courage in his words but not in his deeds , he always made Good Speechs but nothing in act.

[kurdistani]

Where is all this hating on Kak Masud coming from...
I think he is doing a good job in a bad situation.... Of course he is could to better... but he is certainly the second best Kurdish leader at the moment (Nechivan Barzani is the best around at the moment).....
You can accuse me of being KDP... but I am trying to look at it objectively...
As some one pointed out... Kak Masud always uses the word Kurdistan... Mem Jalal does not... And Apo... well according to him the future of the Kurds in Turkiyeifcation!

it is ok to be a Pro-KDP brother,
you know what ? I think Kurdistan should be like america , ppl should be democrat or republician .. infact compettition between KDP and PUJ can lead us to progress...

for example if KDP did a bad thing PUK can shout it out...and the same...
thats like America...if bush do a mistake , democrats will shout it.

thats how democracy works .

but the thing that is not good in being pro-kdp or pro-puk is destorying kurdistan , for Personal Benefits ...
as most of the kurds do, as one of them becomes sucesfull the others destory it , and wants to have it himself...so he destorys kurdistan as well..just for his own benefit .

unfortuantely this is the same in Kurdish comunity too ...[among common ppl ]
by the way , during the last 2 year , massood has shown more Kurdayati than jalal .
may be because Jalal was president of Iraq and he had to show himself Iraqi but massod was president of kurdistan and didnt have to prove he is iraqi...

overall I can say , Massood has shown courage in his words but not in his deeds , he always made Good Speechs but nothing in act.

I don't know about that... what do you want?
I agree there has been soem stupid thing done... and a lack of action... but... for Kurdistan to be free we have to have a political organisation to lead the national revolution... we don't have much political space and new parties wuld find it hard to develop and be strong enough to protect Kurdish interests at this important time... KDP and to a lesser extent (becasue it tends to follow KDPs nationalist lead) are the only shows in town (in Southern Kurdistan) weakening them now would weaken the Kurdish movement......

[dyaoko]

[quote=\"kurdistani\"] we don\'t have much political space and new parties wuld find it hard to develop and be strong enough to protect Kurdish interests at this important time... KDP and to a lesser extent (becasue it tends to follow KDPs nationalist lead) are the only shows in town (in Southern Kurdistan) weakening them now would weaken the Kurdish movement......[/quote]

ha ha this is exacly what republicians say to democrats \"we are in war ! weakning bush is weakening our country...\"

but I So so belive that one of the reasons taht America and countries like america are developed is they have Rival political parites, they are always in compettetion...even when their country is in war...
thats how their country never gets in hand of one person .

there are many countries who trapped with a dictatorship just by this reasoning \"IT IS WAR TIME , NO TIME FOR DISCUSSION ...JUST LEAD ME ...AFTER WAR WE WILL ...\"
and after war that leader never admited to go out of power..
power is not something that humans let it go from their hand ... so if you follow KDP and say other parties are doing bad...and they should shut up and stop . then you actulay helpt a dictatorship.

[Vladimir]

Listen to BAWK!

Mine or hers? Who's bav are we gonna listen to...

Listen to Serok Welatemir!

[Lovetobewithfriends]

[quote=\"kurdistani\"] we don\'t have much political space and new parties wuld find it hard to develop and be strong enough to protect Kurdish interests at this important time... KDP and to a lesser extent (becasue it tends to follow KDPs nationalist lead) are the only shows in town (in Southern Kurdistan) weakening them now would weaken the Kurdish movement......

ha ha this is exacly what republicians say to democrats \"we are in war ! weakning bush is weakening our country...\"

but I So so belive that one of the reasons taht America and countries like america are developed is they have Rival political parites, they are always in compettetion...even when their country is in war...
thats how their country never gets in hand of one person .
there are many countries who trapped with a dictatorship just by this reasoning \"IT IS WAR TIME , NO TIME FOR DISCUSSION ...JUST LEAD ME ...AFTER WAR WE WILL ...\"
and after war that leader never admited to go out of power..
power is not something that humans let it go from their hand ... so if you follow KDP and say other parties are doing bad...and they should shut up and stop . then you actulay helpt a dictatorship.

[/quote]

Yes,we can discuss our problems but i think we should stick together and Barzani s doing good job.The wish of all of us is becoming fact and official country we will have maybe federal but official federal country.And i can freely believe and trust Kurds who is on Barzani's side.And Barzani family is national leader for centuries.They are representative of Kurdish independence and the honour of Kurds.All of us can say that without feeling shame.They are living at the mountains for long but if he wants he can go anywhere he want.Just sell eveything and go anywhere you want yes he could do that but never he didn't.I think a republician who you can trust his word and a man like Barzani allways be better than democrats.And yes world needs democrats and we have too.And Talabani is educated,clever,a man of democrat world and it is cool when he control and manage Iraq.But Barzani is so brave and so passionate.I believe he do his job as better than he can do.I believe he will see fully independent Kurdistan before he die as he said.And he allways talks as leader of all Kurdistan not only Southern Kurdistan.And i am thinking to going to Southern Kurdistan if i there is possibilty for working on computer technology after school.It would be better working for my own ppl than working for turkey.Thank you for Barzani's belief we and all my Kurdish bros have this possibility because of Barzani and the others like him.And we have to trust him and i think he would be the best at our connections between our allies.For long lots of our democrats had good relationship with our friends.But our republicians like Barzani is not so close like them i think he waited for this day and he will have better relationship as a country leader and sometimes he can speak in Kurdish and sometimes he can speak in English,i think he cares our ppl's wants.Whatever we say,it would be better that appear on world's eyes with a democrat and a Kurdish republician(national leader family for long).I think we will grow up with this stages and our some feelings' which didn't grow up will grow up.And i am hopefull we will grow up too fast.And maybe we can past that "Kürdün düşmanı Kürttür."(Kurd's enemy is Kurd.) idea.And Barzani is taking responsibilty of uniting Kurds.And again i say i hope we will successfully pass this problem i believe we will.We all know this problems for ages and we will solve them.And Barzani will help us as his presence did.I am proud of him.But i am proud of Talabani too.But Barzani's place is different than Talabani for me.

[dyaoko]

Lovetobewithfriends , your feelings are nice !

and I can undrestand you and I wish I could think like you but my expereiance tells me if there dont be a pressure on we humans [speciall we kurds] we are always ready to go wrong ...

this pressure should be from Barzani's Rivial .

and also I would like to mention , even though Barzani's familly has had a great rule in our history , that deosnt mean , the power should be based on heridity ...we kurds in the past had Losed the game because of that.

may be that was one of the reason that we dont have a country now...
everybody expected to have power of his own region because his father was a Sheykh or Tirbe Leader or something....

I Read in the history books that when Qazi Mohammad annoucned kurdish republic some of these Tribes refuesed to help him and some of them refuesed to sell their Fruits and Foods to Qazi Mohammad's army .

so please dont say because massod barzani is son of mostafa , then we should follow him , thats not a good reason.

but whatever , I too feel proud of Massood Barzani whenever he stands against our enemies with his words

[kurdistani]

a) We are not in the same situation as the USA...
b) If Masud Barzani starts doing really bad things then I won't support him... I don't think Barzani blood = right to rule....

[Lovetobewithfriends]

I am NOT against democracy,in the possible time,we must built democracy but i think an election will won by Barzani.And maybe his son will won too.But if he don't win Barzani and his family still will be important and noble family for kurds.Everytime we lost not because of tribe and killing eachother.Yes maybe it is important but Kurdistan have important lands who own Kurdistan they will easily control middle-east and west-asia.The land is very important close to Jerusalem too.And they allways used Kurds' power.As they still do.So nobody gave our independence and sometimes we fight eachother,who will answer if America didn't defeat Iraq when we set up,official federal Iraq.Just Turkey,Syria,Iran,Iraq will work against Kurds together as now they do.But when America came to Iraq,Talabani and Barzani was united.Because there is a solution for Kurds.Without America's help,nobody will let Barzani and Talabani is united.of course,we must keep up with age,If huge Kurdistan is setted up,there must be democracy and we will see it.But Barzani is a big leader.We allways must believe ourself,how many Kurds believe a lot of Kurds will be successful ppl,Kurdistan will be powerful.But we must believe that and we must believe a leaderlike him,we don't have time to think that we won't be succesful,no i think we will be succesful and i believe each of our ppl.And there is one point,i heard Barzani's relationship with Israel is very good.And this is one more plus to him