the reason of paris revolts ?

[tomjez]

So yes Dyaoko, I would like Federalism in EUROPE (if we can get rid of Paris it is even better).

[dyaoko]

if what you say is true, I agree with you that france has a lot in common with turkey.

I just wonder if your ethnic's name is pronoucned as you wrote or not..

you know these french ppl write something but they never read it ..they read something else ha ha. i always asked myself if they are gonna pronouce something else then why they write at all .

whatever ,
I hate it when french government talks about hollywood ...and stuff. they are not pro-diversity .

[tomjez]

Breton is pronounced Bröton (in turkish phonetic)

Actually if you pronounce it like in english its ok as well

In our language Brittany is "Breizh", "Bretagne" in french

Breton people are "Breizhat" or "Breton" as well.

France is "Bro C'hall" (C'h is almost exactly X in kurmanci)


Yeah France has a lot in common, except huge state violence. This was targeted against algerians during their independance war. And the difference is that France was democratic enough to prefer let them being independant instead of killing everybody and burning the whole country!

[Piling]

Ithey use a better tactif: putting briton soldier in first line with senegalese during WWI. 250 000 were killed.

They don't send them because they were Brittons, I believe, but because they were peasants. A huge amount of farmers had been sent in the front, and Bretagne was a very rural region, so they have had great loss.... but if you look in any War monuments in French villages, you have the same loss.

(if we can get rid of Paris it is even better).

No Matter. Paris is the center of the world, and all non-Parisians are "ploucs" (red neck). We can get rid of all the country, but the country tried hopelessly to imitate us

[tomjez]

General Nivelle, french army

"Ah j'en ai consommé des bretons!"

No comment.

I found a few funny citations

En 1972, Georges Pompidou, Président de la République disait encore : « il n'y a pas de place pour les langues régionales dans une France destinée à marquer l'Europe de son sceau ».

In 1972, Georges Pompidu, French President, still said "there is no room for regional languages in a France whose fate is too print its mark in Europe"!

Nice one isn't it?

[Piling]

Nivelles has consommed a lot of men, without discrimination. But surely he liked Bretons for they were solid peasants, facing coldness, rain, etc.

And Pompidou was an asshole, ok. But he is dead since a long time. And it is not France which marked EU, it is Germany.

BTW I am ANGLOPHILE, so I don't care:)

[Dilsad]

I have to agree and support strongly Tomjez here.

I lived in Alsace for a while and believe me, Alsacian do not really think of themselves as french. They will tell you that they are Alsacians first and french second.

It's easy, throughout french history and specially after the revolution of the "people" (becasue it wasn't really working class people that started it), the new republique was built on this concept of nation-state....and how can you have a nation(no s)-state with more than 100 dialectes? That is I believe the number of dialectes in France back then.

SO they started to purge the dialectes through active measures...yes Piling active measures. It is simple, if you only teach one language in school, and if you do not let people using their language in official arenas...what you will get is a language genocide? No?

It is actually interesting to notice that all of the forgotten dialects saw a revival once the european union really took place! In fact there is a protection of the dialectes within the european unions and all of our beautifull dialectes can be taught now.

Unfortunately Brittany wasn't as "lucky" as alsace (see I use the term lucky in quotes), in alsace, all of my friends from back in hgh school ONLY spoke alsacian amongs each other...they in fact had to stop doing that just around me....the reason why they were "lucky" is becasue they exchanged hands between germany and france so many times...
So no time for assimilation!

So I support the self determination of the Bretons (even if it is only 2%)...Native american are only 1% of the US population....and I would support their right to self determination too...
Vive la bretagne libre, et bien sure la corse, pays basque, reunion, martinique...

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As for why the riots started in France...

well it is a bit long....but in summary like Tomjez said, it is a Raciste country...immigrants will NEVER be considered french if they are not white.
Just watch a french tv or movie to see that there is no color on it.

Immigrants only represent less than 1% of the student in the universities...

They have no job prospects, and no future....that's why....they are 2nd class citizens.

D.

[Piling]

SO they started to purge the dialectes through active measures...yes Piling active measures. It is simple, if you only teach one language in school, and if you do not let people using their language in official arenas...what you will get is a language genocide? No?

Genocide is not an exact term. Genos in greek design a people, not a language nor a culture. I am not comfortable with that extent of language which leads to "we, Brittons, have been exterminated like Armenians ? Jews ? Kurds ? Tutsi ?" I don't like this fashionable attitude of victimization. Everybody feels himself as a victim to day : Brittons, woman, gay, Basque, Jews, Arabs, etc. Even if it is true sometimes it is not a good starting point to build a self-identity.

Cultural oppression is just one of the several criterions that characterized a genocide. Not the one. Kurds in Southern Kurdistan could learn their own language, even at school, even under Saddam's rule. So what ?

So concerning the crime of annihilating a culture, I think that jurists should create a new juridic term to design it : language/culture in Greek + cide ?

[Vladimir]

It's called etnocide by Martin van Bruinessen.