Our so-called Friends...

[Diri]

May I ask...


Why do our so-called friends not use the Kurdish names for Kurdistani geography? Kurdish names - which have in some cases survived thousands of years...


Why is it that they cannot understand that:


Diyarbekir: AMED
Shemdinli: SHEMZÎNAN
Yuksekova: GEWER
Hakkari: COLEMÊRG
Arbil: HEWLÊR
Tünceli: DERSÎM
Sannandaj: SINE


And MANY other towns and places... PLEASE call them by the RIGHT NAME - THE KURDISH NAME...

[Mosul]

diri alot of those citys actually have those names. like Arbil is thousands of years old and has always been called Arbil. and diyarbakr was founded by the bakr arab tribe and has been called that longer then Amed. not saying that i support these names, but they have been there before the kurdish names were

[cheryl]

May I ask...


Why do our so-called friends not use the Kurdish names for Kurdistani geography? Kurdish names - which have in some cases survived thousands of years...


Why is it that they cannot understand that:


Diyarbekir: AMED
Shemdinli: SHEMZÎNAN
Yuksekova: GEWER
Hakkari: COLEMÊRG
Arbil: HEWLÊR
Tünceli: DERSÎM
Sannandaj: SINE


And MANY other towns and places... PLEASE call them by the RIGHT NAME - THE KURDISH NAME...

Dîrî, why don't you come up with a list of the major cities and towns with their kurdish names and their other names? then those of us who don't know all the kurdish names will learn them and be able to use them.

also, if you speak with people who know little to nothing about kurds, kurdistan, kurdish issues, you find that you have to use the "other" names until the person has learned enough to understand that there is a kurdish name.

also, if the person wants to look up the city/town in question on a map, they will, many times, have to know the "other" name because the "other" name is generally the one on the map. . . ordinary atlas maps and such.

[Piling]

Hakkari is the name of a great Kurdish tribes, very famous and powerful during all the Middle Ages, which faced Zengî and shared the power whith Salah ad Dîn. I don't see the offence to use that name, it one of the few Kurdish names remained in the "Official Turkish geography".

[Rumtaya]

Diyarbekir: AMED

Isnt it shown sometimes is Amid in the maps? I am pretty sure this is not a original Kurdish city is it?

Shemdinli: SHEMZÎNAN

That city i dont know but it sounds like one of the iranian cities.

Yuksekova: GEWER

hahah thats nice we have an Assyrian tribe called gewernaye

Hakkari: COLEMÊRG

Never know it before thta it is called Colmerg till you told me, but we are use to say Hakkari cause that is what you can read in every map. And a important part of the new Assyrian History.

Arbil: HEWLÊR

The Kurds can call it so that is like a english man calling münschen Munich but still its a german city. So the same to ArbaElu its a city poppulated today in majority with kurds but not a kurdish city just like los angels is poppulated with mexicans but its not an mexican city

Tünceli: DERSÎM

????

Sannandaj: SINE

????

[heval]

diri alot of those citys actually have those names. like Arbil is thousands of years old and has always been called Arbil. and diyarbakr was founded by the bakr arab tribe and has been called that longer then Amed. not saying that i support these names, but they have been there before the kurdish names were

Actually, Kak Mosul, you are wrong my friend. Amed or Amida was the name of that city long before the Arab's renamed it to Diyarbakir. The Arabs did not occupy lands that far north until they began their conquests and captured the city in 629 AD.


Dîrî, as far as Sanandaj goes... Although we Kurds, today, call it Sine - the name Sanandaj is not too far off from it's original Kurdish name, which is explained by Kurdish writers...

The original name of the city was Sinedij... Dij is short for the word Dijmin, which, as you know, means 'enemy' in Kurdish. The name of the city roughly translated means a fortress against the enemy... The reason the city was named this is because it is surrounded by mountains and the mountains act as the wall of a great fortress. In old times, guards would protect the city by watching for the enemy from atop the mountains.

I will try to find you a source of this information if you are interested.

[dyaoko]

I had talked about this before, [with some kurdish news sites]

- the first step to tell the world use the right names is to gather a list of kurdish spell names , I myself dont know many kurdish names or right spells for kurdistan cities

2- the second step is that we ourself use kurdish words that we sugggest .
how do you expect western news to use kurdish names and kurdish spells while Kurdish News "sites" and Kurdish "TVs" dont use kurdish names?

3- the thirds step is to Recoginze a Center as Leader , i mean...
sometimes there are many RIGHT spell or names for kurdish cities...
and each site uses one of them ...

persians have a center called PERSIAN SUPERME LANGUAGE CONCUL or something like that....the words that they tell ppl to use instead of Foriegn words is accepted by all . [while there are many other alternatives ]

we must have a place , probably in South kurditsan, to obey them...in Spell in the way of Writing [kurdish latin or international] or...

4-we must advertise for this !
like the one that job that this site is doing "to user kurdistan word instead of northern iraq"

[Piling]

like los angels is poppulated with mexicans but its not an mexican city

LOL ! all California belonged to Mexico and had been seized after a war by America... So according to your own logic it is still a Mexican city... Or let me explain how after many milleniums Hewlêr is still an "Assyrian capital" while after only 2 centuries, Los Angeles is definitively an American city...

[Rumtaya]

LOL ! all California belonged to Mexico and had been seized after a war by America... So according to your own logic it is still a Mexican city... Or let me explain how after many milleniums Hewlêr is still an "Assyrian capital" while after only 2 centuries, Los Angeles is definitively an American city...

Ok that was a bad example but well what i wanted to say is because of a city is on the majority inhabited by strangers it doesnt make it to the city of the strangers you understand what i mean??

Like here in german there are alot of cities inhabited by many kind of outlandish people for example berlin got alot of outlandish people but its a german city.

So Arbil is a city inhabited mostly with kurds but not a kurdish city!

[Piling]

by strangers it doesnt make it to the city of the strangers you understand what i mean??

Strangers ? Since how many centuries and even milleniums Kurds live (in majority) in Hewlêr ? And after how much centuries you could be considered as a "native" ?

[kardox]

ax ax , rumyta. Still not seen the light

Hawler is not a kurdish city ? man , ur empire was eliminated for thousands years ago, there are some pockets of Christian kurds among us here and there and we gave them Ishtar TV and religious rights and schools and radio broadcasting. I think its pay back time u got to show us which site u are with.

[Rumtaya]

Strangers ? Since how many centuries and even milleniums Kurds live (in majority) in Hewlêr ? And after how much centuries you could be considered as a "native" ?

I think we will never end to argue about what is Assyria what is Kurdistan.
Assyrians used to live in Arbil till the common of Timurlame and other cities. After he came Kurds settled down to those places. We would be now again a majority in the Norhern Iraq but we have been genozid!

ArbaElu the name is assyrian so no questions anymore to anwers.

ax ax , rumyta. Still not seen the light

Hawler is not a kurdish city ? man , ur empire was eliminated for thousands years ago, there are some pockets of Christian kurds among us here and there and we gave them Ishtar TV and religious rights and schools and radio broadcasting. I think its pay back time u got to show us which site u are with.

What does Ishtar Tv have to do with Assyrians? What did you gave us our channel oh how kind. You didnt give us anything. Its a Assyrian Channel which is made not only for Assyrians. The Symbole of that Channel is the Assyrian Flag.

Where are Kurdish Christians? Maybe there are just hmmm 0,5% Kurdish Christans.

Israel took Jerusalem. We will take Arbil,Nineveh and other important Assyrian cities!


ok now i stop to talk about it here cause it will end again in a fight.
And i am tired of talking about it again and again.

ITS ASSYRIA! your Kurdistans is big enough you dont have to take more land which isnt yours.

[kardox]

hello wake up man Ishtar is founded by KURDISTAN REGIONAL GOVERNMENT And hey , calm down who wants to fight ? hehe

[Vladimir]

Good luck with taking Arbil and Ninaveh back.

[Piling]

Assyrians used to live in Arbil till the common of Timurlame and other cities. After he came Kurds settled down to those places.

Wrong. There were Kurds before that. Hewlêr was the capital of aKurdish state in 1167, ruled by the Kurdish amir Zayn al Dîn Begtekin, ( lord of Sinjar, Harran and Takrît too). Under this dynasty, Hewlêr became a great city, especually under Muzaffar al-dîn Kökburi, who was the brother in law of Salah ad Dîn ibn Ayyûb.

And it was during the Mongol period that Christians ruled the city because Mongols were often nestorians. But after 1294 Mongols began to persecute Christians and in 1309 they exterminated most of the Christians in Irbil. Then this community lost its importance.