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From an armenian NGO!

PostAuthor: tomjez » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:51 pm

OK before some people start doubting of my nationality or sexual orientation again, I precise this article is from an armenian NGO struggling for Human rights in Armenia.

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“Torchlight procession of the youth dedicated to the 88 anniversary of the Genocide of the Armenians in the Osman Empire was held yesterday evening in Yerevan. The emphatic procession spread along the streets of the downtown. Members of the youth wing of ARFD (Armenian Revolutionary Federation Dashnaktsutyun) burned up publicly the Turkish flag at the Matenadaran (depository of ancient manuscripts – M. D.) and with torches lit by its fire made for the Tsiternakaberd” (site of the monument dedicated to the Armenian Genocide). This is the signature below the photo in the front page of the Russian-language newspaper “Novoje Vremja” (editor Ruben Satyan) on April 24, 2003 with 5 000 printing copies in Yerevan. The author of the signature below the photo lied – the flag is not Turkish. The star of David is related neither to the present-day Turkey nor the Osman Empire, where more that 1,5 million Armenians were massacred. The text, in its turn, is full of the sense of dignity for this sort of “youth”, whose actions can be compared with torchlight processions of the Nazis. And this happens for the second year in a row.
According to the Chairman of the Armenian Jewish Community, Rima Varjapetyan-Feller, an unknown person drew swastika on the door-plate of the Community office situated right in the Center of Yerevan. Swastika was also drawn on the memorial stone dedicated the victims of the Holocaust. But this time vandals weren't satisfied with swastika only. In 1999, just three weeks after the official opening of the monument, the stone was stolen. The case didn't receive publicity and fairly soon a new stone was put instead. The initiation of a criminal case produced no results. In 2002 the stone was taken off while 12 trees, which surrounded it as a symbol of 12 Israeli descents were chopped down. This time the customers and the executors – Yerevan city hall and the owner of just another restaurant opened on the site of the memorial, are known, but, of course, not punished. During the meeting of R. Varjapetyan-Feller with the general city architect the latter insisted that this was not a political action but a «commonplace casus». Foreign Minister of Armenia, Vardan Voskanyan, commented on the incident as neither anti-Semitism, nor vandalism, but mere negligence. By the way, this comment coincides with that of the adviser to President on National Minorities and NGO-s issues, Razmik Davoyan, who said: “This procession conducted by the youth shouldn’t be perceived as a manifestation of anti-Jewish sentiment, but simply as illiteracy”. Well, young people – illiterate people, but hadn’t been their senior comrades informed in advance about the upcoming Sabbath? Sure they had. Moreover, they sanctioned this “undertaking” for we shouldn’t forget that the national-socialist party ARFD is presently one of the two ruling parties in Armenia.
In February the presentation of a book entitled “National Systems” written by Romen Episkoposyan was held. The chapter 8.6 of it entitled “Killer Nation” begins with the following words: “There are two nations in the present-day world, which bear evil in the most concentrated and aggressive way. These are the Jews – nation of demolition with a mission to demolish and decompose, and the Turks – killer nation with a mission to destroy and suppress (page 127). The teachers who were present at the gathering are satisfied: “Finally there is a book we can make use of to bring up younger generations”.
Now it is neither “negligence” nor “illiteracy”. It is already a rise of ideology.

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PostAuthor: tomjez » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:56 pm

If I were Robert Kocharyan I would:
- change Article 1 of the Constitution into the following: “The Republic of Armenia is a authoritarian, military-police-ecclesiastical state”
- enter the expression “kill in the toilets” to the Criminal Code as a punishment measure.
- apply to the Governments of Russia, Iran, Cuba, Belarus, China with a proposal to adopt a unified law “On Freedom of Expression” that would consist of a single chapter – “Inadmissibility to Misuse Freedom of Expression”.
If I were Serj Sarkisyan I would:
- declare the discovery of a new drug against SARS and appeal to China to nominate me for the Nobel Prize in the field of medicine.
If I were Secretary General of the Council of Europe I would:
- enter the “ Change of National Mentality” condition as one of the prerequisites upon the accession to the Council of Europe”.
If I were the Head of the OSCE/ODIHR or PACE observation mission I would:
- begin the first line of the report on the elections in Armenia with the words: “Killings during the elections in Armenia are not of a mass character”.
If I were a member of ARF (Armenian Revolutionary Federation) Dashnaktsutyun Bureau I would:
- without fail send to Istanbul for the Eurovision 2004 competition a woman singer to sing a song called “Istanbul must become a sea of blood” to the accompaniment of a boys’ quire from the “Nikol Agbalyan” organization, who would burn the Turkish flag while on the stage.


And for those who wonder why I find such articles, it's because I'm working in human rights, and I'm bound to find such stuffs when I'm looking for human rights abuses in Armenia. I'm actually surprised, I did not think it was so bad!
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PostAuthor: Piling » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:13 pm

If we see the open-minded of Assyrian diaspora (at least in france) I'm not surprised ! :lol:
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PostAuthor: Armenian » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:24 am

Where did you get those articles from? Can I see the sourses for both? Thanx.

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PostAuthor: tomjez » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:50 am

Helsinki association, Erevan

http://www.hahr.am/english/main3.php

but looking at amnesty international or Human right watch report can give you a good idea as well....
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PostAuthor: Armenian » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:52 pm

And the point of posting the second article was?

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PostAuthor: Diri » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:57 pm

Armenian wrote:And the point of posting the second article was?



Not his fault, realy... He is Breton...

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PostAuthor: Armenian » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:12 am

I'm just trying to understand how it was relevant to "Human Rights Violations" in Armenia.

Not his fault, realy... He is Breton...


I thought he was French.

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PostAuthor: tomjez » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:44 am

Well it's talking about human rights problems and democracy issue. My goal is not to document human rights violations in Armenia, a lot of serious organisations are doing that already! I just thought that these articles, written by an armenian activist, were really interesting and sum up the problems in Armenia... It has been written by the same guy of the first article, Mickael Danyelian.
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PostAuthor: Armenian » Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:15 am

If you say so.

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PostAuthor: Piling » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:34 am

By the way your signature, Armenian, is in the same way of mind, isn't it ?
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PostAuthor: tomjez » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:35 am

Yeah but after I read the programme of Dashnak I understood a lot...by the way they have 11 deputies in Armenian assembly, which make them the third party only. And the first in Diaspora. Striking isnt it?
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PostAuthor: tomjez » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:10 am

Ok that's really horrible now...maybe worse than human right reports, medical NGO's reports. I really did not now it was that bad. But the fact that 1.2 millions armenians out of 3.5 millions in 1990 left the country should have given me a hint.

Two reports here from UNICEF

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/armenia_495.html

Malaria has re-emerged in Armenia for the first time in 30 years, with 2000 cases reported in 1999 (some even on the outskirts of the capital city of Yerevan).


And MSF

http://www.msf.org/msfinternational/countries/europe/armenia/index.cfm

Armenia and Georgia had the poorest access to health care in a comparative assessment of eight former Soviet republics (Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, and Belarus)


But armenian diaspora' priority it recognition of the genocide. 30 % of armenians live with less than 1 $ a day, but in immigration they are crying about mount ararat and lake of van.

I think that says a lot about deconnection of diasporas and situation in countries of origin.

I feel really sorry for Armenia...maybe they should consider opening border with turkey and start thinking about developing their country...I'm really depressed.
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PostAuthor: Piling » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:55 am

Armenia and Georgia had the poorest access to health care in a comparative assessment of eight former Soviet republics (Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, and Belarus)


Lol, less than Kyrgyztan ? Belarus ? Kazakhstan ? There is something rotten in their regime... Armenia under SSSR had a high level of education though. Did all their elite flee to foreign countries ?
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PostAuthor: tomjez » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:12 pm

Yes they did. who would stay in this country...
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