Kurdish group takes credit for Istanbul cafe blast

[zurderer]

Well I was in Ovacik in 2001 and I saw Soldiers, frightening to go in mountains.

Well, Yeah that is true, but If that gold is so precious be sure, Turkey can protect it.

Diri did you ask them? Ask them, and let them think a while.
"this is our land, we love it" is only a cheap propoganda.


Dont missunderstand me, but you know "lafla peynir gemisi yürümez"


Tom this is not difficult one too, you can easily understand this

[Diri]

Diri did you ask them? Ask them, and let them think a while.
"this is our land, we love it" is only a cheap propoganda.

Don't you think we ever talk politics at home? Don't you think my family is just as much nationalist as I am? If you think I am the only nationalist Kurd - then tell me where did I get this influence from? Who told me what Kurdistan is?

My father is my inspiration... My mother is my motivator... My sisters and brothers are my companions and my future sons and daugters are my reason... Kurdistan is my love!

I don't need to ask them - they want it just as much as me...

Don't you think my family is in gurbet? Do you think we "enjoy" staying in Norway? Kurds in diaspora miss Kurdistan and the warm culture there... We miss our family and relatives...

My words aren't empty... They are full of hope and a big: "INSHALLAH"!

[Piling]

Well, Yeah that is true, but If that gold is so precious be sure, Turkey can protect it.

You know Turkish army has destroyed villages, but was never able to conquer mountains. Then Dersim is not still a secure place for them, as many parts in Kurdistan.

And Dersimi would like to open some fabrics, or exploit sources of water, but it has forbidden by army. Since 1923, there were not a lot of investments in Kurdistan. Turkey take natural ressources, and does not develop these areas. For that reason, it could be called a "inner colony" as Ismaïl Besikci said.

[heval]

Secondly kurds will not left turkish lands, neither tom nor diri will leave from ankara or istanbul. Also diaspora kurds will not return kurdistan.(why dont you ask your family, If they would return kurdistan or not)

Have you read any of the statistics or news articles regarding the reverse migration of Iraqis since the fall of Saddam? The numbers are astonishing. And are you aware that most of those moving back to Iraq (or rather, Southern Kurdistan) are Kurds? Plus, there are even families who are from other parts of Kurdistan (Turkey, Iran, Syria) who are moving to Southern Kurdistan now that there is Kurdish rule there.

So if you read the news and view the numbers, you will see that Kurds are ALREADY going back to Kurdistan in large numbers and it's not even an independent country yet! It's still part of Iraq! So, I'm sure an independent Northern Kurdistan would attract a lot of Kurds to leave Turkey.

[heval]

kurdistan also wont be a democratic country, most probably pkk will come down from mountains, both kurdish parties at ıraq try to interfere kurdistan. And I am not sure zazas will accept kurdish rule.
I know you call them as kurd, but not all of them call themself as kurd but zaza.

Well, leave democracy to Kurds. We will find a way to make it work

Zaza's are Kurds and with a little education on Kurdish history, those few denying Kurdish ancestry will learn their true identity. All Zaza's would accept a Kurdistan that grants them the right to speak and study in the Zaza Kurdish language.

[Vladimir]

Zaza's were the first to fight for an "independent Kurdistan". Zazaism is relatively new.

[Diri]

Well said, my brothers Heval and Welatêmîr...

[zurderer]

You know Turkish army has destroyed villages, but was never able to conquer mountains. Then Dersim is not still a secure place for them, as many parts in Kurdistan.

And Dersimi would like to open some fabrics, or exploit sources of water, but it has forbidden by army. Since 1923, there were not a lot of investments in Kurdistan. Turkey take natural ressources, and does not develop these areas. For that reason, it could be called a "inner colony" as Ismaïl Besikci said.

Yeah Turks never conqured mountains, but they can surely protect a small areas.

I dont know what source you are meaning, Infact turkey is loosing more money for kurdistan than she gain from that lands.

I dont know Ismail besikci but tell them, more than 50 of kurd have green card, and turkey wont collect much tax at there. That is why I dont care for that lands, we gain nothing from there, except blood.

Have you read any of the statistics or news articles regarding the reverse migration of Iraqis since the fall of Saddam? The numbers are astonishing. And are you aware that most of those moving back to Iraq (or rather, Southern Kurdistan) are Kurds? Plus, there are even families who are from other parts of Kurdistan (Turkey, Iran, Syria) who are moving to Southern Kurdistan now that there is Kurdish rule there.

So if you read the news and view the numbers, you will see that Kurds are ALREADY going back to Kurdistan in large numbers and it's not even an independent country yet! It's still part of Iraq! So, I'm sure an independent Northern Kurdistan would attract a lot of Kurds to leave Turkey.

do you know difference between south and north kurdistan? Remember when Iraqian kurds fleed north from saddam and arabs, turkish kurds went to turkish lands, can see difference?

there is not oil at north, there is oil at south.

kurds at iraq were knowing souther kurdistan is best place for them, kurds at turkey knows, there is not much thing at northern kurdistan.(not even a doctor)

Well, leave democracy to Kurds. We will find a way to make it work

like raping kurdish girls? that was done by pkk, leader of northern kurds.

dont dream, If turkey leave that lands, Kurds will met total chaos(This is If PKK cannot rule all norther kurdistan) or a more fasist and pysicopat system.

Not democracy, anyway this is your problem.

Zaza's are Kurds and with a little education on Kurdish history, those few denying Kurdish ancestry will learn their true identity. All Zaza's would accept a Kurdistan that grants them the right to speak and study in the Zaza Kurdish language.

yeah yeah, we tried to teach you history, It looks like you didnt learn you are turkish.

Why do you think zazas will learn they are kurdish?

Why dont you just let them decide for their ethnicity? isnt this also what you want?

Zaza's were the first to fight for an "independent Kurdistan". Zazaism is relatively new.

Kurdism have not 1000 year history, nationalism is new thing at this lands.

I have some zaza friends and they call themself as zaza, not kurd. So this is their decision, neither me nor you.


So we are agree, an independent kurdistan, and mass exile of kurds.(After all this is what they want, their own country)

[Piling]

Absolutely agree. But if you say such things in Ankara you will go to jail

[Diri]

Absolutely agree. But if you say such things in Ankara you will go to jail

Yep... And the sentence would sound like this:

"TRAITOR"!


Sadly...

[heval]

yeah yeah, we tried to teach you history, It looks like you didnt learn you are turkish.

Haha, I was talking about real history, not the fabrications of Turkish nationalists. Teaching us fake Turkish propaganda is not teaching us history.

...by the way, watch the racist comments... seems like Ataturk is getting the best of you...

[Diri]

yeah yeah, we tried to teach you history, It looks like you didnt learn you are turkish.

Haha, I was talking about real history, not the fabrications of Turkish nationalists. Teaching us fake Turkish propaganda is not teaching us history.

...by the way, watch the racist comments... seems like Ataturk is getting the best of you...

I saw it too...

But I figured, he meant to make the point that "Zazas are as much Kurdish as Kurds are Turkish"...

Which is of course, wrong to say...

Zaza are Kurdish because of; Culture, history, ethnicity, language... Hell - they are just emmigrant Hewramî Kurds (Zurderer: They are Kurds from Hewreman in South and East Kurdistan)...

Kurds and Turks however - don't have a shared history, culture, ethnicity or language...

[Vladimir]

You got some sources for that mate! ?

I want to teach my zaza Kurdish friends more.

[Piling]

Guerilla in Dersim is SURELY a TURKISH guerilla lol.

[Vladimir]

What are you talking about?