Hundreds Protests agansit Anti-Islam Author in Suleimani

[islamic~pride]

Sorry I'm a bit tense today, and I was jocking anyway. In turkey a lot of kurdish girls are not veiled. In Southern Kurdistan I saw a lot of modern girls in Duhok and Zakho, not too much in Suleymanye and Erbil. In France it depends, all the kurdish girl I know are not veiled, but it is logical, I don't frequent any veiled girl in turkey either and a lot of turkish girls are

thats ok . well all the kurds from turkey are the most religious people i know..some of them are alevi, but majority are muslim, one of them even wears niqaab (only her eyes showing). the traditional clothes in kurdistani turkey is veiled anyway...look at these..

[kardox]

my friend , who says they are mostly elevi in north kurdistan ? I think out of a population of 20 millions there are about 3-4 million elevies. And elevies has nothing to do with islam.

[Piling]

of course traditionnal clothes have veils for women, and pushuk for men But islamic hijab has nothing to do with Kurdish clothes, and moreover, a lot of girls wear modern "western" clothes now.

The problem is not to wear it or not, it is to be free in her choices.

[islamic~pride]

and these are from iraqi kurdistan





another one of kurdi turkey



more from iraqi side





both are kurds, ones wearing hijab, ones not


kurds of turkey again


kurds of iraqi side

[tomjez]

Beautiful pictures

But yeah a lot of women in the world have "veils" and are christians, hindu, whatever. It is not "hijab". Even in britanny (my country) old women still wear the traditionnal veil, but they are christian, believe me

[islamic~pride]

there are not many kurdish alevi's, its mostly turks, and im not sure about the connection bewteen alevi and islam, some say they are shia's, who believe in Ali (s.a.w.s) and some say they are not, but all the alevi websites always have a picture of Ali on there, and the alevi's i know call themselves muslim.

[zurderer]

of course traditionnal clothes have veils for women, and pushuk for men But islamic hijab has nothing to do with Kurdish clothes, and moreover, a lot of girls wear modern "western" clothes now.

The problem is not to wear it or not, it is to be free in her choices.

Infact kurds also wear islamic hijab, why do you think they dont?

[islamic~pride]

Beautiful pictures

But yeah a lot of women in the world have "veils" and are christians, hindu, whatever. It is not "hijab". Even in britanny (my country) old women still wear the traditionnal veil, but they are christian, believe me

i know, but seen as most kurds are muslim, to them their veil will represent hijab, and obviously there will be those who wear it as a cultural symbol.

regarding alevi, type in alevi anywhere such as google and pictures of Ali (s.a.w.s) come up.

these are the alevi sites and they have shia music with Quran recitals

http://www.huizen-alevi.nl/Turkce/home.htm

from wikpedia:

Alevis are followers of the Twelvers, a Shia sect. Belief in Allah is varied. Though some accept the idea of a personal creator, many believe that Allah is merely the good in man. This is expressed by the Alevi saying "insan Hakta Hak insanda" (man is in God, God is in man).

While the Sunnis follow the four caliphs Omar, Uthman, Abu Bakr and Ali, the Alevis recognize only one of the caliphs, Ali ibn Abi Talib and his two sons, Imam Hussain and Imam Hassan, just like the Shia Muslims.

[Piling]

Alevi religion is different than Shiism. They don't only recognize Ali as a Prophet but as a divine figure, with Shah Ismaïl and Muhammad, a trinity, like Christians. They religious practice are a bit different than muslims too.

there are not many kurdish alevi's

Lol, you never travelled in "Eastern-Anatolia", in Dersim for example !

[zurderer]

not all alevis are same, some of them are near to shiism, some of them are between too shamism and islam.

Ali was main figure.

Ah also we have some atheist alevis.

[islamic~pride]

Alevi religion is different than Shiism. They don't only recognize Ali as a Prophet but as a divine figure, with Shah Ismaïl and Muhammad, a trinity, like Christians. They religious practice are a bit different than muslims too.

but its still a form of shia..its a branch from shia-ism...

Lol, you never travelled in "Eastern-Anatolia", in Dersim for example !

no i know there are kurdish alevi, but there are more turkish alevi, right? kurds are the minority.

[Piling]

They are not Shia. They are not muslims, and refuse to be considered like that (Kurdish Alevis, at least).

I don't have the total number of Alevis in Turkey and as they are not recognized as a religion statistics are difficult, I suppose. On their identity card, it is written "muslims", and most of them hate it.

[islamic~pride]

i dont understand, if they believe in Ali, Muhammed, and Ismail (peace be upon all of them) how can they not be muslims? these are the prophets of islam. do they do the shahada? and do they believe in "la ilaha ilalallah"?

[tomjez]

no they don't, they don't pray like muslims either, they don't do ramazan, and they drink alcohol. there are no mosques in Alevi villages. And they were oppressed by muslims and called pagans, heretics....

[Piling]

Because they think they are more than Prophets but have in them Divine Light, as the MAhdi. And they are the same one in 3 ppl (like Christians).

Any way, even if Shah Ismaïl would be a prophet, it would be in contradiction with Islam, for Muhamamd is the last prophet. But the figure Ali/Muhamamd/Shah Ismaïl is something different. They believe in reincarnation too.