Peace in the country, Peace in the world... M.Kemal Ataturk

[zurderer]

Why you think European countries recognised it. You don't know anything about Armenian genocide.. apparantly.

Just go read this website: http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/

I think you like it.

why ? I dont think reason is humanity, after all If they care for humanity, they should accept a lot genocides they did. You are so naive. Like a child, do you think international politics have any relation with ethic? Yeah I am barbarian!


Anyway I changed my mind, I think we should mass exile all kurds to kurdistan, than accept genocide give kars, van and agrı to armenians.

Than decleare independence of kurds. Yeah. perfect revenge!

[Vladimir]

why ? I dont think reason is humanity, after all If they care for humanity, they should accept a lot genocides they did. You are so naive. Like a child, do you think international politics have any relation with ethic? Yeah I am barbarian!

Anyway I changed my mind, I think we should mass exile all kurds to kurdistan, than accept genocide give kars, van and agrı to armenians.

Than decleare independence of kurds. Yeah. perfect revenge!

You are not a babarian. Armenian genocide happened, it's already proved by genocide experts. There are enough books about it, if you don't trust internet websites.

[piskrt]

What strikes me abaout this Armenian issue is, European countries which are so eager to accep that "genocide" is very reluctant when it comes to dealing with Armenia's massacres in Azerbaijan againist Azeris. Armenia occupied a sovereign nation's land without a reason, athnically cleansed all Azeris in Armenia and nobody gives a shit. What a hypocricy!

And, to the Rwandan Genocide, it is well documented that French "peacekeepers" trained one ised of the conflict to fight againist the other one and also it was a genocide inflicted by one armed, well trained people againist an other. There is no state organization at that scene as far as I know.

[Piling]

Only in France ? lol. In fact if we look at universal history, there were much genocides since Ancient times... It was even a simple way to ged rid of a trouble-maker people. When a king in Ancient Middle-East wanted to "destroy all a nation and to delete it on the surface of earth..." it was a genocide. Very common thing in fact !

But modern jurists wanted to distinguish a "massacre" and a "genocide" saying that a genocide should be plannified before. I never saw the interest of this distinction. De facto, Armenians disappeared in Western Armenia, that's all. And that's enough : in 1915-1916 it was a genocide for after 1920 there was no an Armenian population anymore in Anatolia.

And Ottomans were not so disorganized, they had displaced hundred thousands people from Armenia to Syrian desert, and there surrounded the survivores and prevented Syrians to bring them food and water. Not so "disorganized" if we think of the few number of rescaped.

[zurderer]

Vladamir I believe it, I just dont care it. Turkey can apologise just for political reason. But she should never accept genocide. As I said, I dont think we should be so just and merciful.

If you have power, you have right to make genocide too.

Piling will you take talat notes serious?

Infact genocide think is invented after ww2, should we go past? I am sure everyone have genocide at past.

[piskrt]

And Ottomans were not so disorganized, they had displaced hundred thousands people from Armenia to Syrian desert, and there surrounded the survivores and prevented Syrians to bring them food and water. Not so "disorganized" if we think of the few number of rescaped.

I doubt that. Ottomans lost what made Ottomans themselves in the Balkan Wars. 5 million ethnic Turks have been ethnically cleansed (including Jews) in this wars. And, these states who defetaed Ottomans were a couple of tiny states who just gor independent from Ottomans. It İS UNREASONABLE TO THİNK THAT such a corrupt, disintegrated state could be able to destroy a peoplelike Armenians who was much more organized, armed and well trained than ordinary Turks. It just seem unreasonable to me.

[zurderer]

well trained? are you talking about simple ottoman armenian peasents, or russian army?

[piskrt]

Armenians were not simply peasents. Turks were the only people which were only a peasant society. That is why nationalism grew quiete late at that time. Armenians were artists, handcrafters etc. but not a peasent society. They were better trained than Turks.

[zurderer]

Yeah they are not only peasents, artist handcrafters and fine architects.

But remember, It was turks soldiers.

Also turks were not only peasents, that is bulshit. Oh or do you mean, ottomans were not turks?

[piskrt]

Yes! Ottomans were not a turkish state when considering the modern menaing of a nation-state. Turks were much more disadvantaged than Greeks, Armenians and other minorities. They did not even have the basic training. Most of them were illeterate.

[zurderer]

at that times, most of people are uneducated, not just turks. And no, Turks are rulers.

Except alevis, alevis turks were realy more supressed than others.

will you call mimar sinan as turk?

[Piling]

Piling will you take talat notes serious?

Armenian victims had been obliged to admit that Talaat's speeches were a very serious thing.

[zurderer]

So he said exiled armenians were only 900.000.

how 1.5 million of them died?

[piskrt]

at that times, most of people are uneducated, not just turks. And no, Turks are rulers.

Except alevis, alevis turks were realy more supressed than others.

will you call mimar sinan as turk?

Yeah right. You know before Ottomans most of the Turks were Shia like all other turkic people in Central Asia. Ottomans forcefuly converted us to sunni and opressed the remaing ones.

[Piling]

I don't know if Armenians were 1 million or not, but in any case, that argument "they have not been killed, they were just exiled" is valueless front of a court : genocide includes massacres, deportation, exile, rapts of girls or children to bred them in another ethny, etc.

Then by exile of murder, Armenian nation was destroyed by a genocide in Anatolia.

Moreover this Turkish impossibility to recognize a such fact is strange, like a phobia. Kurds did it, and nothing happened, they were not cursed by the rest of the world. If TUrkey recognize it today what will happen ? Nothing. All the Young Turks are dead now. Then it would change nothing.