Iranian Kiss

[zerdest]

dont missthis ... so funny !

[ChiChalok]

lol, more like nasty!

[UE_kurdophile]

I didn't understand the joke

[tomjez]

I can't believe Talabani Frenchkissed an Ayatollah

[Piling]

Talabani frenchkissed everyone he wants to f...* later A very courteous and gallant man.

[Diri]

I didn't understand the joke

Well... Bascially, it is disgusting... More than it is "funny"... So I don't blame you for not lauging!


I especialy thought the way they kissed those BOYS was disgusting...

[UE_kurdophile]

It is just that I didn't have the news, I guessed something from Tomjez reply, but can you better explain?

[dyaoko]

it would be funny if you could undrestand farsi... and also if you know those politicians .
but generaly yeah Disgusting Kisses.

[UE_kurdophile]

I don't understand much farsi,just something like numbers(because they are similar to sorani and I learnt them), "khoda hafez" and stuff like that; but I study arabic at uni and my teacher told me farsi is now about 70% arabic,so I guess I can understand something.
I know the alphabet because it is more or less like arabic alphabet and a n Iranian friend of mine taught me the letters which are different from arabic.

And about politicians,ok I am not so informed but surely I know who is Jalal Talabani! So,please...............

[tomjez]

my teacher told me farsi is now nearly 80% arabic,

Bullshit! It looks like Turks saying that Kurdish is just a weird dialect of turkish. Farsi is much different and much more beautiful than arabic...

[dyaoko]

my teacher told me farsi is now nearly 80% arabic,

Bullshit! It looks like Turks saying that Kurdish is just a weird dialect of turkish. Farsi is much different and much more beautiful than arabic...

Her Teacher is pretty RIGHT ! the words that farsi speakers use are at least 70% arabic. 15% are common with kurdish , and just 15% are pure persian words.
so if you know arabic, you can "READ" farsi text too, (but you may found it difficault when they speak it , because they read arabic words with Persian Accent) actualy the reason that tom thinks it is more beautifull is they read the arabic words with a softer tone . [a girlish tone]

there is a joke , one day that iranian shah who had come back from visiting that racist monster (ataturk) found it intresting to ban using arabic words and JUST using pure persian words in his office ,so they put this sign in the shah's office

"estemale kalamate arabi dar in makan akidan mamno"
means (using arabic words in this place is forbiden)
the funny part is , in that sentnce just "dar in" are farsi words all other words are 100% arabic.

so even the Signture that orders not using arabic words was in arabic.

[tomjez]

OK I appologize then it sounds so different I find it difficult to believe it is so close to arabic...what happened to the original persian language then.

Is it the case with kurdish as well? 80 % of arabic?

it's funny though because maybe 50 % of turkish vocabulary is still arabo-persan

"kalamate" in you sentence is probably the turkish "Kelime" = vocabulary

[Piling]

80% for Kurdish ? lol no !

Persian had been transformed by Arabic because it was a Urban language and its intellectual elites had been islamized early, since the muslim conquest. There was a "Persian rebirth" at the 9th century, and Persian writers and poets begin to write their language again, but it had been completely transformed by Arab, even some points of grammar I heard.

Kurds stayed out of cities within a "rural" culture. Kurdish began to be written as a literary language very late, at the end of the Middle Age (15th-16th century ?). it allowed it to stay "purer" in its form. When you read old text written in pehlevi (ancient language in Iran) if you speak Kurdish you understand better than if you know only Persian.

[dyaoko]

I can tell you , may be 30% of the words that I use are arabic, when I speak kurdish but you know that I am an assimulated Kurd and those arabic words came to my language from farsi, but when I read southern kurdish newspapers, the usage of arabic words are like 5% or even less.
I can tell you a Pure Kurd can speak kurdish without even using 1 arabic words .

piling has very good infromation ! she is right, for the 4-5 centuries after islam coming to iran, all persian poets , sicentenists ... wrote their things in arabic, for example Abu Ali Sina (famous persian doctor) all his books in medicene are in arabic.

after hundred years of speaking arabic, there was a Persian Nationalism movement by Yaghub lays Saffari , and also the famous patrior persian poet "Ferdosi" they began Re-Birthing Persian language.

I should also mention that Kurds became muslem 200 years after persians
arabs couldnt defeat Kurds and make them muslem as early as persians
and also the hard way of going to kurdistan mountains (and sometimes Impossible), defended Kurdish language from arabic words coming to our mountains.

+yes Kalima is arabic, the plural form of Kalima in arabic is Kalymat .
with Persian accent, "Kalymat" would be "Kalemat".

[tomjez]

Kalem is "pen" in turkish, maybe it is linked...