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PostAuthor: tomjez » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:01 pm

I am atheist! But I'm interested in every religion's mythologies!

btw it was "humour"... :(
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PostAuthor: Diri » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:13 pm

tomjez wrote:I am atheist! But I'm interested in every religion's mythologies!

btw it was "humour"... :(



I know bro... LOL :lol:
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Re: Our so-called Friends...

PostAuthor: Vladimir » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:57 pm

Diri wrote:Diyarbekir: AMED
Shemdinli: SHEMZÎNAN
Yuksekova: GEWER
Hakkari: COLEMÊRG
Arbil: HEWLÊR
Tünceli: DERSÎM
Sannandaj: SINE


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Kermanshah must be Kirmashan
Senendej " " Sine
Mahabad " " Sablax or Mihanad
Koy Sincaq Koye
Mako " " Kela Makê
Xoy " " Kala Xwê
Mariwan " " Meriwan
Pawê " " Pawe
Oshnewîyê Şino ( Shno)
Bûûkan Bokan
Shahşndêj Sayin Qella
Mîîyandoab Mîyanduwaw
Seqêz Seqiz ( Seqz)
Serwabad Sewllawa
Banê Bane
Serdasht Serdesht
Neqedê Nexede
Pîransher Pîranshar ( Xanê)
Soldûz Sindûs ( Sndûs)
Urmia Wirmê ( Wrmê)
Erbîl Hewlêr
Elsulaymanîye Silêmanî
Koy Sincaq Koye

Please don't use CAPITALS. That's irritating with copy and pasting.

Please correct me if there is something wrong.
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Re: Our so-called Friends...

PostAuthor: Diri » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:36 pm

Vladimir wrote:
Diri wrote:Diyarbekir: AMED
Shemdinli: SHEMZÎNAN
Yuksekova: GEWER
Hakkari: COLEMÊRG
Arbil: HEWLÊR
Tünceli: DERSÎM
Sannandaj: SINE


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Kermanshah must be Kirmashan
Senendej " " Sine
Mahabad " " Sablax or Mihanad
Koy Sincaq Koye
Mako " " Kela Makê
Xoy " " Kala Xwê
Mariwan " " Meriwan
Pawê " " Pawe
Oshnewîyê Şino ( Shno)
Bûûkan Bokan
Shahşndêj Sayin Qella
Mîîyandoab Mîyanduwaw
Seqêz Seqiz ( Seqz)
Serwabad Sewllawa
Banê Bane
Serdasht Serdesht
Neqedê Nexede
Pîransher Pîranshar ( Xanê)
Soldûz Sindûs ( Sndûs)
Urmia Wirmê ( Wrmê)
Erbîl Hewlêr
Elsulaymanîye Silêmanî
Koy Sincaq Koye

Please don't use CAPITALS. That's irritating with copy and pasting.

Please correct me if there is something wrong.



All the ones in the parantesis - "(...)" are wrong... Those are typical mistakes done by Soranî speakers... In Kurdish you HAVE to have EVERY sound of the word - ALL vocals...

But your list looks okey - apart from:

Ûrmiye
Miyanduaw
Mêrîwan
Mihabad

And "Kel" means "Castle/Fortress" - so that only applies to the castle/fortress - not the city name... So the right names are: Xoy and Makû...

Nobody uses "Sablax" anymore - but it is the correct name... Pîranshar - is also known as Xanê, that is right...

I don't know where Solduz (do you mean Solmaz?) and Serwabad are...
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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:26 pm

I just copied and pasted it. Can you give some more Kurdish names of cities?

Elazig
Malatya
Bingol
Urfa
Kars
Igdir
Van
Qamishli - Qamislo
Al Hasake
Mardin
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PostAuthor: heval » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:23 pm

Vladimir wrote:I just copied and pasted it. Can you give some more Kurdish names of cities?

Elazig
Malatya
Bingol
Urfa
Kars
Igdir
Van
Qamishli - Qamislo
Al Hasake
Mardin



Kurdish names:

Elazig - Xarput
Malatya - Meletî
Bingol - Çewlîk
Urfa - Riha
Kars - Qers
Igdir - ?
Van - Wan
Qamishli - Qamislo
Al Hasake - Hasake (verify this one)
Mardin - Mêrdîn
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PostAuthor: heval » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:27 pm

and a few more Kurdish names for you...


Batman - Êlih
S,irnak - S,irnex
Dogubeyazıd - Bayazid
Hamadan - Ekbatana
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PostAuthor: McKurd » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:38 pm

Kiziltepe in Turkish, Qoser in Kurdish.

It is also significant to spell the names correctly, Hewlêr and not Hawler.. as well as Wan (“one”) and not Van (like a mini-Van --> turks cannot pronounce the “w”), Kerkûk, Xaneqin and so on.

Hakkari is actually a region and the name originates from a tribe.


Also, it is very offensive when people/authors/websites whatever refers to “Iraqi-Kurdistan” etc
It is called
Bakur / northern Kurdistan / or turkish occupied Kurdistan
Bashur / southern Kurdistan / or Iraqi occupied Kurdistan
Rojava / western Kurdistan / or Syrian occupied Kurdistan
Rojhelat / eastern Kurdistan / Iranian occupied Kurdistan


N thanx Diri for giving attention to this topic, you have already contributed with at least one of our friends referring to Kurdish names of places. Biji! :)
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PostAuthor: McKurd » Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:01 am

One thing though! It is interesting to see how the discussion suddenly took another round, You guys talk about Kurdish names but yet at the same time choose to write in turkish? Öh???

Ironic?

Understand this thinking "I am Kurdish but I think and write in turkish" (Yaser Kemal)
And someone was talking about assimilation?
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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:43 am

Who is choosing to write them in Turkish?

That's something what the western media is doing.
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PostAuthor: Diri » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:00 pm

@McKurd


Tu sax bî, birayê min... Dest xosh! :)
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PostAuthor: McKurd » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:58 pm

Vladimir wrote:Who is choosing to write them in Turkish?

That's something what the western media is doing.




Vladimir, I was trying to insinuate the fact that a “discussion” took place in Turkish.
The topic was to create a consciousness about Kurdish names of places, right? But then a Turkish dude pop up and suddenly some folks just ride along in the conversation carried on in another language. That is sending mixed messages.

Above my native tongue I manage English so there is no need for me to speak the language of oppressors. And in case they want to communicate with me, I suggest they take a class or two in Kurdish. When it comes down to it, it is all about inferiority complex. I understand the system of where Kurdish youth is stolen of their mother tongue in Bakur, Rojhelat and Rojava, but I don’t get this mentality of speaking the oppressor’s language when you have a free mind. As said, the “slave mentality” is very common amongst us.

And before some of you see red, yes some Zaza-speakers have a hard time understanding a SouthKurmanji-speaker to set an example, but it does not justify the use of Arabic nor Turkish. A fluent Zaza-speaker on the other hand manages well when carrying on a conversation with someone from let’s say Mexmûr. Nilufer Akbal is a great example of that. I just wish we had more of her kind, people trying to integrate into their own dialects instead of this constant use of Turkish, Persian whatever when things get rough…



And Diri, we say xoshkê min, not birayê min :)
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PostAuthor: Piling » Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:34 pm

Vladimir, I was trying to insinuate the fact that a “discussion” took place in Turkish.


Where ? it could happen here rarely, as sometimes I write French to Tom for private jokes but there most of this forum is in ENglish and Kurdish.

And in Kurdistana Rojavayê and Rojhilatê, ppl speak Kurdish, the problem is only in Bakur.
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PostAuthor: McKurd » Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:52 pm

Piling wrote:
Where ?


A few pages before..

And in Kurdistana Rojavayê and Rojhilatê, ppl speak Kurdish, the problem is only in Bakur.


Actually it differs region from region. There are villages in Bakur were whole families only know of Kurdish. As for Rojhelat you can visit a town and be amazed by how assimilated they have become in utter silence.
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PostAuthor: Diri » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:43 pm

McKurd wrote:And Diri, we say xoshkê min, not birayê min :)



Ser chawan, xûshka delal :)

Bi xêr û xoshî hatî...

Her bijî! :)
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